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    Anthony Joseph
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Its evidence.



    Blank paper or paper with writing on it? Writing is considered to be a memoralization (of testimony, agreemeent, etc.). Oral testimony for ceremonial or 'shoring up' is another matter.
    In a code/statutory/legalese court, paper forms the record. In a common law court, the record is formed viva voce. Memorialization still requires verification else it is just ink on paper.

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    This is accomplished through notarization (with Commission Certificate). The notary verifies that there is a human signor.


    P.S. We often verify a man or woman signor with a red thumbprint too.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Joseph View Post
    In a code/statutory/legalese court, paper forms the record. In a common law court, the record is formed viva voce. Memorialization still requires verification else it is just ink on paper.
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    Anthony Joseph
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    A 'Notary' does not attest to the facts/claims written on the paper. I can claim to be 'Donald Duck' and have it 'notarized' - big deal.

    Without first-hand testimony verification that what is written on paper is true, paper has no power in a common law court of record.

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    I feel like you are changing the subject. You cannot claim to be Donald Duck and have it notarized. I was talking about a notary attesting to a human man or woman signing in front of him or herself in the official capacity of a notary.

    To avoid arguing about your definition of common law, I like Black's Fifth. Here in Colorado we have such standing from the Territorial Laws of 1861 as found in the State Archives:

    ...or from the judgments and decrees of the courts recognizing, affirming, and enforcing such usages and customs; and in this sense, particularly the ancient unwritten law of England.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Joseph View Post
    A 'Notary' does not attest to the facts/claims written on the paper. I can claim to be 'Donald Duck' and have it 'notarized' - big deal.
    This is how I comprehend it, too.

    I may double-dog dare myself to get a doc notarized claiming I am Donald Duck and post it here, just for laffs. This place could use some.

    Next extra $10 I have...lol

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    Anthony Joseph
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I feel like you are changing the subject. You cannot claim to be Donald Duck and have it notarized. I was talking about a notary attesting to a human man or woman signing in front of him or herself in the official capacity of a notary.

    To avoid arguing about your definition of common law, I like Black's Fifth. Here in Colorado we have such standing from the Territorial Laws of 1861 as found in the State Archives:
    Prove it.

    The point being is that having something 'notarized' does NOT make what is written upon it automatically true without the one who created the document to verify it.

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    Anthony Joseph
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    common law = unwritten law that is common to a particular society or set of people. (the word 'common' is an adjective modifying the word 'law')

    The "Common Law" = a two-word noun signifying a specific type of law of a certain area; do you belong there? (the word 'common' is NOT an adjective modifying the word 'law' in this sense)

    Another example: The "United States" is not equal to united States.

    A common law court of record is the court of man, and; the record in said court is formed in living voice.

    All other 'Courts' are for 'PERSONS' and the record is formed on paper since 'PERSONS' do NOT have vocal chords; man is NOT a part of the case in such a court unless he submits to a lower capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moxie View Post
    This is how I comprehend it, too.

    I may double-dog dare myself to get a doc notarized claiming I am Donald Duck and post it here, just for laffs. This place could use some.

    Next extra $10 I have...lol

    Thanks for that comment.

    A notarial officer has satisfactory evidence that a person is the person whose true signature is on a document if that person (i) is personally known to the notarial officer, (ii) is identified upon the oath or affirmation of a credible witness personally known to the notarial officer or (iii) is identified on the basis of identification documents.

    You can make up definitions for common law all you like. I disagree and will not have you foist them upon me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Thanks for that comment.
    You are quite welcome! And I hope it made you laugh. Have a great day! :-)

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