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    1870 & Bishop Strossmayer's Speech

    The Catholic Encyclopedia (©1913 Vol. XIV p.316) gives an account of Bishop Josip Strossmayer (1815-1905) at the Vatican I Council of 1870, from which we quote: "At the Vatican Council he was one of the most notable opponents of papal infallibility, and distinguished himself as a speaker. The pope praised Strossmayer's 'remarkably good Latin.' A speech in which he defended Protestantism made a great sensation... After the Council Strossmayer maintained his opposition longer than all the other bishops and kept up a connection with Johann J. Ignaz von Dollinger" the greatest Roman Catholic historian in Germany. His books commanded universal respect. This was "until October 1871. Then he notified von Dollinger and Reinkens that he intended to yield 'at least outwardly. (Source)
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    "Listen then to what he writes in his second treatise on the first epistle of St. John: 'What do the words mean, I will build my church on the rock? On this faith, on that which said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.'" - Strossmayer
    It does appear that shortly after the speech in 1870, the Papal States were lost and were not to be restored until 1929 (per the Lateran Treaty). Quite a few events seems to have transpired around that time which may or may have not been related.

    1775 - Prohibitory Acts / British Colonies put out of allegiance and ends obligations to Britain
    1775 - 1776] American War of Independence
    1776 - Declaration of Independence
    1781 - Articles of Confederation ratified establishing "The United States of America"
    1787 - Constitution for the United States of America (by unanimously by 'all states present')
    1789 - 1799 - French Revolution
    1798 - (French) General Berthier (under Napoleon I ("Bonaparte")) enters Rome, abolished the papal government
    1799 - Pope Pius VI dies in captivity in France


    1861 - Onset of the U.S. Civil War
    1861 - Papal States reduced to Lazio (until 1870)
    1867 - Federal Dominion of Canada was established
    1870 - Bishop Strossmayer's Speech (likely June 2, 1870)
    1870 - Italian troops enter Rome (September 20, 1870).
    1870 - "Prisoner In the Vatican" (1870 to 1929)
    1871 - District of Columbia Organic Act of 1871
    ... World War I
    1929 - Lateran Treaty (July) [pertains to at least two separate 'sovereign entities': 1) the Holy See, and 2) the State of Vatican City]
    1929 - "Black Tuesday" - Great Depression Begins (October 29)
    ... World War II

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    "Mortal Wound Healed"
    ROME, JUNE 7. From 11 o'clock this morning there was another sovereign independent State in the world. At that time Premier Mussolini ... By that simple act the sovereign independent State of Vatican City came into existence. New York Times (re: Lateran Treaty), July 7, 1929
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    (Walter Veith seems to selectively have left some facts out of his presentations... for some reason. Question: If something has eyes like a man does it mean that it can "See"?)

    Related: Upon This Rock; Bishop Strossmayer's Speech and Apologetics; The Pope, the Kings and the People: A History of the Movement to Make the Pope Governor of the World (full book)
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    Great speech. I had never heard of Strossmayer or his speech.
    Thanks for posting.

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    Fundamental Agreement, or Original Constitution of the Colony of New Haven, June 4, 1639

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    For as much as it hath pleased Almighty God by the wise disposition of his divine providence so to order and dispose of things that we the Inhabitants and Residents of Windsor, Hartford and Wethersfield are now cohabiting and dwelling in and upon the River of Connectecotte and the lands thereunto adjoining; and well knowing where a people are gathered together the word of God requires that to maintain the peace and union of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affairs of the people at all seasons as occasion shall require; do therefore associate and conjoin ourselves to be as one Public State or Commonwealth; and do for ourselves and our successors and such as shall be adjoined to us at any time hereafter, enter into Combination and Confederation together, to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess, as also, the discipline of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said Gospel is now practiced amongst us; as also in our civil affairs to be guided and governed according to such Laws, Rules, Orders and Decrees as shall be made, ordered, and decreed as followeth:
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    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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