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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Joseph View Post
    Making "demand for lawful money per 12USC411" can only be achieved through a PERSON. Said PERSON is a created 'United States' vessel, TITLE to which exists somewhere but NOT with you. The "demand" facilitates the "they shall be redeemed" portion. The debt is purchased back by the original issuer and the obligation to foreign or private interests is diminished. It is the public venue that realizes the benefit of diminished obligations and debt extinguishment via "demand made per 12USC411".
    Yes, excellent points. So the demand is made, leaving the holder of the money in the private venue, outside the reach of public government.

    I guess I'm having difficulty understanding how this relates to the BC, other than it serving as an indemnity receipt issued by the regime. It proves the existence of a public person, ipso facto a private person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Alan View Post
    Yes, excellent points. So the demand is made, leaving the holder of the money in the private venue, outside the reach of public government.

    I guess I'm having difficulty understanding how this relates to the BC, other than it serving as an indemnity receipt issued by the regime. It proves the existence of a public person, ipso facto a private person.
    The BC is a certified copy of an original registration of, and TITLE to, the PERSON used to make said demand. The point of my additional commentary as it relates to Boris' approach is that, in my opinion, "making demand per 12USC411" does nothing to negate the presumption of "Enemy of the State" status ['Trading with the Enemy']. The possibility that you can and/or will make claim to the "redeemed money" [U.S. Treasury interests] through the State's vessel ['FIRST MIDDLE LAST'] keeps one under that default presumption - ENEMY.

    Boris' approach attempts to quash that presumption through a recognized assignment/surrender process which is a memorialization of one's choice to cease any possible adverse claims. This reestablishes peace with the occupying force and the 'peaceful inhabitants' are not to be interfered with, in any manner, during the duration of belligerent occupation so long as one remains peaceful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Joseph View Post
    The BC is a certified copy of an original registration of, and TITLE to, the PERSON used to make said demand. The point of my additional commentary as it relates to Boris' approach is that, in my opinion, "making demand per 12USC411" does nothing to negate the presumption of "Enemy of the State" status ['Trading with the Enemy']. The possibility that you can and/or will make claim to the "redeemed money" [U.S. Treasury interests] through the State's vessel ['FIRST MIDDLE LAST'] keeps one under that default presumption - ENEMY.

    Boris' approach attempts to quash that presumption through a recognized assignment/surrender process which is a memorialization of one's choice to cease any possible adverse claims. This reestablishes peace with the occupying force and the 'peaceful inhabitants' are not to be interfered with, in any manner, during the duration of belligerent occupation so long as one remains peaceful.
    As long as the default currency is FRN's, the "ENEMY" status remains for the NAME (the State's vessel ['FIRST MIDDLE LAST']), and requires the repeated execution of the lawful money demands to reverse (redeem) each and every transaction that occurs in the commerce (war) arena through that NAME.

    The NAME must be used to accommodate this redemption as provided for in their arena by 12 USC 411 and 12 USC 95a(2) and the laws of usufruct.

    Perhaps reporting violations within their arena should start with Stuart F. Delery as the Assistant Attorney General, Civil Division, Department of Justice, Director of the Office of Alien Property per 28 CFR 0.47 17 and 50 USC App?
    Last edited by doug555; 05-10-14 at 11:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Joseph View Post
    The BC is a certified copy of an original registration of, and TITLE to, the PERSON...
    Birth Certificate is a Certificate of Title (Similar to an automobile “pink slip”) which is evidence that title exists but is not actual title itself. The Birth Certificate is also a Security Instrument used as evidence that there is a security interest in the FIRST MIDDLE LAST name.

    Expounded in this thread; http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...3879#post13879
    Last edited by EZrhythm; 05-11-14 at 05:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony Joseph View Post
    The BC is a certified copy of an original registration of, and TITLE to, the PERSON used to make said demand. The point of my additional commentary as it relates to Boris' approach is that, in my opinion, "making demand per 12USC411" does nothing to negate the presumption of "Enemy of the State" status ['Trading with the Enemy']. The possibility that you can and/or will make claim to the "redeemed money" [U.S. Treasury interests] through the State's vessel ['FIRST MIDDLE LAST'] keeps one under that default presumption - ENEMY.

    Boris' approach attempts to quash that presumption through a recognized assignment/surrender process which is a memorialization of one's choice to cease any possible adverse claims. This reestablishes peace with the occupying force and the 'peaceful inhabitants' are not to be interfered with, in any manner, during the duration of belligerent occupation so long as one remains peaceful.
    EXACTLY - if you are using their stuff, they have the right to presume, through law, that you are a person AND thus under THEIR jurisdiction thereof. Once this process is done, it has nothing to do with you [singular], the man. It is up to the trustees, administrators, or executors "to figure it out" AND acquit and discharge ALL CLAIMS and pay taxes of that entity or Name. Man has nothing to do with "their fictional system" other than use it for commercial purposes in today's world - as by necessity and a requirement to breath, eat, live and have a roof over the man's head. Man has been left "naked" where he has NOW surrendered and release any and all claims [potential "presumed warring"] against the usufruct. He has acknowledged and accepted WHAT HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE - the pledge and he makes no further claims to reversionary interest [IRS code 26 USC 673, 26 USC 2037] where he would have to "intermeddle and account thereof".

    If man were able to hold the original title to the name then he would be liable. Since the State has benefited and profited by the mere fact, if the man or baby had not been born, that title would not be created. Since the title was created by the mere fact of that baby being born, he is the SOURCE of that fictional credit.

    As Boris and some others have explained very well, better than I, there is not much we can do about what has already taken place, ALL titles or property were seized. So if you go and claim their Name as you, this is how they get personal jurisdiction. When you make that claim to that property, THEY consider it "warring" and you will have to pay the price for such claim.

    Our biggest problem in getting our heads around this "Peaceful Inhabitant" concept is that, in a way it is too simple and yet we have been pre-conditioned for many years that it becomes almost impossible. I have written previous posts concerning this process and basically I was told by the group "how wrong I was". All I can suggest is that you really listen to Boris and try and understand it is so much more than "just remedy", it is something much greater "spiritually speaking". Boris did a recent interview with Alfred Adask - and it was difficult for Alfred to get his head around this concept.

    I will also say, I honor, respect and trust Boris and his words of wisdom; however, I did not do the UCC forms. I wrote up and recorded the Notice of Release of Claim and Interest per 12 USC 95a. The UCC stuff did not resonate with me. However, the release was done on the same principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salsero View Post
    EXACTLY - if you are using their stuff
    Who is "they" in the "their stuff" part?


    *I have never filed a UCC-1 nor plan to. I'm trying to find out something different. :-)

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    Their or theirs is defined as a presumed ownership through a presumed authority which dares or deceives others to believe it is true

    stuff is defined as "a false image of the real" it is part of the dead world, paper, statutes, etc.

    An Example: A deed is an image of the actual house. The house is real. The deed only re-presents the house. It is through our ignorance that we ACCEPT the deed as real house. How does failure "to pay" a mortgage dare foreclose on that house? If the original mortgage was created by a signature, how does the law support paper foreclosing on the real house? It makes no sense MORALLY. There is no money - just dead paper WE PRESUME has value.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moxie View Post
    Who is "they" in the "their stuff" part?


    *I have never filed a UCC-1 nor plan to. I'm trying to find out something different. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by salsero View Post
    Our biggest problem in getting our heads around this "Peaceful Inhabitant" concept is that, in a way it is too simple and yet we have been pre-conditioned for many years that it becomes almost impossible.
    Its quite simple. If you wear the mask of a stranger as you climb over the Western wall to enter my royal palace in the dark of night and my guards beat the piss and blueberries out of you, then you take your mask off and say "But its me the king's brother". Don't blame me or my guards for mistaking you for a stranger and treating you like one (especially if you act like one)! This foregoing might apply to many things in life and might explain why someone has experience certain treatment at times.


    (48 second mark)

    Doesn't David Merrill at times refer to a corollary called: "nakary"? The word 'person' is related to the word mask' or 'farce'.

    Though the idea of neutrality or making declarations of peace is not new AFAIK, Salsero makes a good point in that the conditioning and lack of knowledge makes it seem rather impossible for some to overcome the obstacles. As mentioned before, on a certain level, a driver license doesn't tell anyone whether you are a stranger or not--they will likely presume stranger. I have gotten the overall impression that folks are conditioned to act like strangers and to see themselves as strangers in a strange land nearly from birth. What a gambit. What is 'strange' may vary with the culture or venue. Pop media, it seems, tends to encourage folks to act strange and think strange.

    Sure it might take some knowledge or wisdom to know if one is triggering the undesirable responses from the others by one's own actions. Light is handy for overcoming the darkness.

    ***

    BTW, I recall listening to a talk by "Pastor Tony King". He went on this seemingly religious talk .. and eventually got to "Become one with your strawman." I stopped the recording at that point.
    Last edited by allodial; 05-13-14 at 05:00 AM.
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    Exactly. You are known by your actions or fruits.

    However, I want to make a point with regard to "their presumptions". By law, they are allowed to presume, deceive coerce, threaten. Spiritually speaking, what they are doing [unrealized of course] is testing your soul. What they are not allowed to continue to push to the max of deception without your free will consent, meaning once they have "some evidence by your words and deeds that you are not a person that falls under THEIR jurisdiction", they must STOP. "Satan has been given dominion over this planet and he is permitted to do anything and everything to get your soul"; however, he only has one limit - it must be done through your free will consent.

    The scripture is very clear [And I am not any bible scholar or avid reader of the bible] in Job 32: 21-22: “21 Let me not, I pray you, accept any man's person, neither let me give flattering titles unto man. 22 For I know not to give flattering titles; in so doing my maker would soon take me away.”

    Because we are being tested [and removing the dross from the gold], the public school system has been set up for this purpose, it is about a "conditioning". The TV, the news, sports, etc - its all about "diversions", taking our eye off the truth. Then when the teacher, attorney, judge, bank account rep, house deed agent, DL bureau clerk, speeding ticket cop ASKS - what is your name? And you say: JOHN DOE, well you broke a "universal law' and paid homage to a false idol.

    And I must say all this sucks - as it is really difficult to get one's mind around, We want to feed the EGO or edging God out. If I yell to the world, its all about me, mine, my and I, this tells the PTB that I am a "belligerent" and under this declared state of emergency, belligerents get bitch slapped. See?



    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Its quite simple. If you wear the mask of a stranger as you climb over the Western wall to enter my royal palace in the dark of night and my guards beat the piss and blueberries out of you, then you take your mask off and say "But its me the king's brother". Don't blame me or my guards for mistaking you for a stranger and treating you like one (especially if you act like one)! This foregoing might apply to many things in life and might explain why someone has experience certain treatment at times.



    (48 second mark)

    Doesn't David Merrill at times refer to a corollary called: "nakary"? The word 'person' is related to the word mask' or 'farce'.

    Though the idea of neutrality or making declarations of peace is not new AFAIK, Salsero makes a good point in that the conditioning and lack of knowledge makes it seem rather impossible for some to overcome the obstacles. As mentioned before, on a certain level, a driver license doesn't tell anyone whether you are a stranger or not--they will likely presume stranger. I have gotten the overall impression that folks are conditioned to act like strangers and to see themselves as strangers in a strange land nearly from birth. What a gambit. What is 'strange' may vary with the culture or venue. Pop media, it seems, tends to encourage folks to act strange and think strange.

    Sure it might take some knowledge or wisdom to know if one is triggering the undesirable responses from the others by one's own actions. Light is handy for overcoming the darkness.

    ***

    BTW, I recall listening to a talk by "Pastor Tony King". He went on this seemingly religious talk .. and eventually got to "Become one with your strawman." I stopped the recording at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Its quite simple. If you wear the mask of a stranger as you climb over the Western wall to enter my royal palace in the dark of night and my guards beat the piss and blueberries out of you, then you take your mask off and say "But its me the king's brother". Don't blame me or my guards for mistaking you for a stranger and treating you like one (especially if you act like one)! This foregoing might apply to many things in life and might explain why someone has experience certain treatment at times.


    (48 second mark)

    Doesn't David Merrill at times refer to a corollary called: "nakary"? The word 'person' is related to the word mask' or 'farce'.

    Though the idea of neutrality or making declarations of peace is not new AFAIK, Salsero makes a good point in that the conditioning and lack of knowledge makes it seem rather impossible for some to overcome the obstacles. As mentioned before, on a certain level, a driver license doesn't tell anyone whether you are a stranger or not--they will likely presume stranger. I have gotten the overall impression that folks are conditioned to act like strangers and to see themselves as strangers in a strange land nearly from birth. What a gambit. What is 'strange' may vary with the culture or venue. Pop media, it seems, tends to encourage folks to act strange and think strange.

    Sure it might take some knowledge or wisdom to know if one is triggering the undesirable responses from the others by one's own actions. Light is handy for overcoming the darkness.

    ***

    BTW, I recall listening to a talk by "Pastor Tony King". He went on this seemingly religious talk .. and eventually got to "Become one with your strawman." I stopped the recording at that point.
    Thank you Allodial;


    That clarifies quite a bit. I am further describing how we have reached an expiration of the 153 years since this came about by proclamation.

    I know how difficult that math is to swallow, and how easy it is to dismiss outright. Number 153 is the first CSNL after 1 and they describe relationships of primes to rational numbers throughout the infinite number line. Therefore they are a hologram in miniature (fractal) and are the (fast) RSA Factoring Algorithm that will terminate the nonsense around debt being money.

    That is why I have it as pertinent subject matter here on the STRAWMAN REDEMPTION. Nonsensical markets created upon debt lead the patriot community to look for, and often find seeming confirmations of fantastic Treasury Direct accounting systems, and even the possibility of security and confidence building measures outside of CUSIP etc. With a fast RSA Factoring Algorithm that chapter in (fractional reserve) banking comes to a close!

    What I hope your imagination can continue with is that this holographic application of toggle, dither and flutter will be the birth of Artificial Intuition. Therefore I am appealing that you might trust my intuition about all of this.
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