Funny your post #203 should mention that allodial “What if it is instead that John H Doe is at the DMV identified as the person holding the birth certificate?”

I renewed my DL and had my full middle name spelled out on it and never did I ever use it; only had the initial.

I asked where that came from, how did you know that was my middle name?

The DMV person asked me is that your middle name, I said yes but I don’t use it and don’t like it this way, the DMV would not change it.

This had to come from the Secretary of State.

Fluke I think not ………… Maybe it is the Certificate of Incorporation from the Secretary of State?

I agree with george “you and MJ are have interesting conversations and it may not seem like it but I think you both bring out the best in each other, the best useful info anyway.”