Birth Certificate - What it is

[BLBereans]

Birth Certificates are all originals.
The Statement of live birth is a certified copy.

This is interesting.
Law of agency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_agency

Sorry to say you are mistaken; a "CERTIFICATE" is a certified copy.

"In a more particular sense, the written declaration, under the hand or seal or both, of some public officer, to be used as evidence in a court, or to substantiate a fact. A certificate of this kind may be considered as given under the oath of office."

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[walter]

Sorry to say you are mistaken; a "CERTIFICATE" is a certified copy.

"In a more particular sense, the written declaration, under the hand or seal or both, of some public officer, to be used as evidence in a court, or to substantiate a fact. A certificate of this kind may be considered as given under the oath of office."

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I called Vital Statics Office and had a nice chat with them and that info came right out of the horses mouth.

All birth certificates are original. They are not a copy of a document on file.

Statement of live birth original is being held by them in trust. When you order one you get a copy of a original record.

Big , big differences.
One who holds the original holds the liability.

Call them up and ask them.

[BLBereans]

I called Vital Statics Office and had a nice chat with them and that info came right out of the horses mouth.

All birth certificates are original. They are not a copy of a document on file.

Statement of live birth original is being held by them in trust. When you order one you get a copy of a original record.

Big , big differences.
One who holds the original holds the liability.

Call them up and ask them.

An original document has the wet ink signature of the party who declares or testifies. A record can be made of that original under the seal of three parties; the originator, the witness(es) and the record keeper. From either, certified copies can be made to attest as to the existence of an original.

Who holds the original? Answer: the creator.

[walter]

An original document has the wet ink signature of the party who declares or testifies. A record can be made of that original under the seal of three parties; the originator, the witness(es) and the record keeper. From either, certified copies can be made to attest as to the existence of an original.

Who holds the original? Answer: the creator.

Wet Ink signatures can also mean seals or company trade marks. Bills of exchange act.
The BC's which are all originals are never held by the issuing state.
What purpose would a BC have to sit with the issuing party? Absolutely nothing.

Mom and Dad granted the SOLB to the state by filling it up (not filled in) and delivering it.
Its a bailment with Mom and Dad becoming the bailor and the state become the bailee.

The BC switch's Mom and Dad as being the bailee and the state becomes the bailor.

[Michael Joseph]

Wet Ink signatures can also mean seals or company trade marks. Bills of exchange act.
The BC's which are all originals are never held by the issuing state.
What purpose would a BC have to sit with the issuing party? Absolutely nothing.

Mom and Dad granted the SOLB to the state by filling it up (not filled in) and delivering it.
Its a bailment with Mom and Dad becoming the bailor and the state become the bailee.

The BC switch's Mom and Dad as being the bailee and the state becomes the bailor.

Yes bailment is an act of transfer of goods but said act is without transfer of ownership. To deliver is to make the abandonment of the livery. If I make the livery of goods upon you for the use of another is not that a confidence reposed in you?

The BC and the SSN are expressly not to be used as ID but is this the common practice of the henchman [corporate policy]? Is it possible to show ID proving one's trust in the State? What can be used to prove said trust? If you say mail - how did you establish the residence? If you say utility bills - how did you establish the account? If you say a lease, then how did you establish the lease? Etc.

I hope someone will take up my challenge of how to prove trust in a system that requires its own issue to prove the trust. How do you come into possession of said issue without first proving trust? Origins cannot be dismissed. Where was the first trust deed? Who performed it?

Perhaps if you name is registered into the Book of Life - you will be granted access into the Kingdom. Registry of Birth....

[allodial]

This might an insightful link: The Birth Certificate.

The certificate is of course an original. They historically are certifications of the existence of an entry in the "register of births".

The thing so many people seem to dodge around the the significance of the name being on the register. Too much time has been spent on the certificate itself rather than getting to the heart of the significance of the entry in the register. Back in the day when someone requested a birth certificate, the register was checked for the name and DOB and if an entry was found a CERTIFICATE WAS MADE THAT THE ENTRY EXISTS. What is the significance of the name being in the register?

[ag maniac]

This might an insightful link: The Birth Certificate.



The thing so many people seem to dodge around the the significance of the name being on the register. Too much time has been spent on the certificate itself rather than getting to the heart of the significance of the entry in the register. Back in the day when someone requested a birth certificate, the register was checked for the name and DOB and if an entry was found a CERTIFICATE WAS MADE THAT THE ENTRY EXISTS. What is the significance of the name being in the register?

Well, if one claims it as their own & identifies with it......I'd have to say the following depiction is most accurate

[allodial]

I called Vital Statics Office and had a nice chat with them and that info came right out of the horses mouth.

All birth certificates are original. They are not a copy of a document on file.

Statement of live birth original is being held by them in trust. When you order one you get a copy of a original record.

Big , big differences.
One who holds the original holds the liability.

Call them up and ask them.

The certificate is of course an original. They historically are certifications of the existence of an entry in the "register of births".