Remedy for Fathers?

[MIRemedy]

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I appear seeking consul regarding Fathers Remedy. What remedy do we have under the law to secure our interest in our children? Do we have recourse when our offspring are stolen from us? I desperately want to become competent under the "law" The creators and mans. I've become apathetic lately do to the huge mental strain that one jurisdiction is exerting over me and appreciate any guidance.

Some background information.

My child is currently in the custody of DHS (Human Services)
DHS sold the case to a non profit inc.
I have dispositional reviews every 3 months.
I have a court appointed actor.
I was contracted for the services through DHS but I always reserved my rights pursuant to UCC 1-308
I've been very careful to always endorse any contract with my name in a box and UCC 1-308.


I'm wondering where to proceed from here?

Should I Secure my interest in my child via UCC 1 form?

Will that work? Me being a secured party if I am still a US citizen ? Should I file claims in recoupment?

Any one ever been through something similar and know what to do lol?

[David Merrill]

Proof of the transaction might be helpful. If you would like help redacting that PM me please.

[Moxie]

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. Do we have recourse when our offspring are stolen from us? Any one ever been through something similar and know what to do lol?

Karl Lentz got his children back after they were taken by agents, too. He tells his story in detail on his Talkshoe calls. Type "Unkommon Law" into the search on Talkshoe. He got "immediate restoration of his property" using common law language. This is not the common law with statutory stuff in it, this is another kind purely based on, "was there harm, injury or loss?" and using very specific non-statutory language on paper in four sentences or less.

His clips are also on YouTube, just do a search for "Karl Lentz property."

[David Merrill]

That sounds like simple administrative process. This can be very powerful if one knows about record forming.

[EZrhythm]

I concur with David and Moxie!

Regarding your specific questions;

I'm wondering where to proceed from here?

There is more than one route to success which will become apparent as you gain knowledge. Ultimately you will decide how to proceed even though at this time you may have no idea.

Should I Secure my interest in my child via UCC 1 form?

"Should" can only be answered by you unless a hired attorney is advising you. If/when you fully understand the UCC process, it will
be clear as to whether to take that path.

Will that work?

Technically, in law, nothing "works" as there are no "turn key" or silver bullet methods as each must achieve satisfaction on a case by case basis. What is effective for one may not be effective for another concerning a specific matter. OR the same would be effective if applied with some additional shutspah or effort. Then again, less effort with a particular method could achieve results too. First, know you are right, then move forward.

Me being a secured party if I am still a US citizen ? Should I file claims in recoupment?

First, a secured party is a "commercial" status under the UCC. For further understanding about being a secured party this is an excellent read. Obviously for the example in your mattter you will have to respectively and properly change out "loan" for "child". http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...r-the-ucc.html

"Should" you file? Again, that's best answered as you gain knowledge and can decide that for yourself as no one can for you unless hiring an attorney.

Any one ever been through something similar and know what to do lol?

Yes.
First know that ALL of this is commercial in nature to which there is ALWAYS a remedy. This can be of help for those times if all seems hopeless. "Notice" is king! Most likely you have received NOTICE of some kind or another about the matter. They bank on us not responding to the notice in which case their notice stands and they can move forward. WELL, as a matter of fact, WE may return their NOTICE back to them (Refused For Cause) and then issue NOTICE ourselves too. Applied properly, NOTICE can be the base element for establishing success.

[shikamaru]

Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. I appear seeking consul regarding Fathers Remedy. What remedy do we have under the law to secure our interest in our children? Do we have recourse when our offspring are stolen from us? I desperately want to become competent under the "law" The creators and mans. I've become apathetic lately do to the huge mental strain that one jurisdiction is exerting over me and appreciate any guidance.

Some background information.

My child is currently in the custody of DHS (Human Services)
DHS sold the case to a non profit inc.
I have dispositional reviews every 3 months.
I have a court appointed actor.
I was contracted for the services through DHS but I always reserved my rights pursuant to UCC 1-308
I've been very careful to always endorse any contract with my name in a box and UCC 1-308.


I'm wondering where to proceed from here?

Should I Secure my interest in my child via UCC 1 form?

Will that work? Me being a secured party if I am still a US citizen ? Should I file claims in recoupment?

Any one ever been through something similar and know what to do lol?

Some guys you may want to listen to concerning children and administration:

Rod Class
George Gordon

[David Merrill]

First and foremost you should listen carefully to the clerk of court, and whatever other clerks you encounter like the county clerk and recorder - it you choose to involve that clerk for your administrative publication. The clerk of court in the USDC is the primary clerk to be considering if you choose to utilize the Libel of Review process etc.

I suppose that is why I am prompting you for more information if you want my and our help. Once somebody else is holding your property or children in custody then you have some limitations on Refusing for Cause process. That is to say you cannot just walk away from your children and R4C is basically exercising a presumed right to be left alone.


Regards,

David Merrill.

[MIRemedy]

Thank you for the replys every one. I needed to take care of some of my other obligations so excuse me for the delay. I definitely seek any enlightenment regarding this issue. I know I feel a great attachment to my child as my child does to me. Thanks for the info and links. I'm still a newbie at this and have a lot more research to do. Can you Elaborate more on the refusal for cause process?

Some more info on my situation.

My Child has been in foster care for 18 months now. Her mother tested positive for opiates at the delivery, I later was informed. I have a signed affidavit of parentage from the hospital and my name is on the birth certificate.

CPS/DHS have been involved since then. Ive been utilizing there" services" for 18 months now and it never ends. I was never charged with any crime. Child is with maternal grand parents.

Child is in foster care with DHS as guardian. What they told me, they "purchased out" (the term they used) the case to a pseudo religious charity. Now I have to deal with my "worker " through that nonprofit group. The same non profit group all so operates in the "family treatment" courts and the "drug" courts. 1 week after "purchasing" the case from DHS the non profit recommended termination of my parental rights.

[MIRemedy]

Found the R4C forum.
http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...rk-Instruction

So I should get this on record with the clerk and file writ of Mandamus or some such? Its a circuit court btw.

Some guys you may want to listen to concerning children and administration:

Rod Class
George Gordon

His clips are also on YouTube, just do a search for "Karl Lentz property."

Thanks gonna check them out.



Followed the link to NOLO

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...r-the-ucc.html

Possession. A security interest in many types of collateral, including “negotiable documents, goods, instruments, money, or tangible chattel paper,” may be perfected by the secured party possessing the collateral. However, so-called “intangible” collateral, such as accounts receivable, cannot be perfected by possession. While “possession” is not directly defined by the UCC in this context, it does appear to include possession not only by the secured party but also by an agent of the secured party.

Control. The UCC states that, “A security interest in investment property, deposit accounts, letter-of-credit rights, or electronic chattel paper may be perfected by control of the collateral . . . .” The meaning of “control” can vary depending on which type of collateral is involved. For example, a secured party may have control of a deposit account if the bank, the debtor and the secured party have all agreed that the secured party may handle the funds in that account “without further consent by the debtor.” As another example, a secured party has control over investment property, such as securities (shares of stock or the like), if the property is delivered to the secured party, and, if necessary, “endorsed” (signed) to the secured party.

What worries me with the UCC route is that I technicaly don't have possession or control. So would I have to have delivery first?
Please excuse my work flow this tends to get me more organized with everything time stamped on VB

[David Merrill]

I have no trust in the UCC-Process because I have suitors who have tested it out and there has never been any success passing any rules of evidence (that I have seen). Applying commercial rules like the baby is some kind of product just seems like such a waste of time. So much of all that is based on the birth certificate being something more than what it actually is.

The Libel of Review process sues the Secretary of the Treasury in order to open a record in the federal judiciary. That is about it. You have paper documentation and testimony about the things you are saying? The Lesson Plan would get you a record and as you have seen by the Clerk Instruction, they would know about it. That can be very powerful indeed, it has helped hundreds of people get better control of their lives and contractual affairs but I simply cannot offer you any promises.

The Lesson Plan is:

1) True Identity
2) Record Forming
3) Redeeming Lawful Money

Should you choose any route, I would stop reporting about it here or on any website. This puts unnecessary pressure to hold the status quo and to defend a perceived right to do what they have done.



Regards,

David Merrill.