State Return - Need Assistance - Lawful Money

[David Merrill]

So, another update on this issue..

I received a check from the State (Iowa Department of Revenue) for about 10% of the amount on Tuesday. On Wednesday, I got an explanation letter from them. One form shows how they recalculated my taxes and completely disregarded my "Demand for Lawful Money Reduction". On another form, they put this:

Reason for Notice:
The gross income has been adjusted.
The taxpayers trust fund tax credit has been adjusted or denied.
Your refund claim has been partially denied.

I feel like I should send something back to them arguing that they are breaking the law, though as they as disregarded it already, I feel that I should take this elsewhere. A complaint to the State Treasurer, State Senator, Representative? Any suggestions would be most welcomed!

The Taxpayers Trust Fund?

That is an interesting reference. Thank you for the link Chex.

[Billy James]

Speaking with an Elder from one of the older Protestant churches, he informed me they did not pay taxes because they did not participate in social security

[Chex]

they did not pay taxes because they did not participate in social security

Which brings me back to this.

Whenever the SSA refers to you, it's a taxpayer. One holding a SS card, or cardholder. On the card provided to me by the SSA, it clearly says on the back "This card belongs to the SSA and you must return it if we ask for it." Does it get any clearer than that? What if they ask for it? What happens to my bank account, loans, houses, anything?

I've been pondering this for some time. What if I setup a trust, and make all sorts of crazy statutes if one was part of the trust. I give them numbers, and a card, then give them some money to sign a few contracts with their signature AND a reference to my special trust number I provided them.
Wouldn't that person then give physical capacity to the trust, and legal title to that contract would simply be held by said trust? Yes. Well, what if I were to remove them from the trust (I set it up that way), I take their card, I take their number. What is left, what legal remedy (may have some equitable) would that person have? All the documents they signed are referencing the trust.

There are times in life when one finally "sees" things for how they really are. Having kids, it's incredible to see the gears grinding in the minds connecting the dots, figuring things out. When we get older, this happens less frequently. But, this last year or so, things really started becoming clear. The biggest thing for me recently was finding that not only are cities incorporated (does the deed to your home reference a plat number, sub division or parcel, you have given them access to your property by dedication), counties are incorporated, and STATES OF ________ all were incorporated by the early 70's. They are corporate states, a private body! [http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post15012

Babies just out of the womb have to have a SS#. I want to know why? Whose child is this?

[Brian]

Which brings me back to this.

Whenever the SSA refers to you, it's a taxpayer. One holding a SS card, or cardholder. On the card provided to me by the SSA, it clearly says on the back "This card belongs to the SSA and you must return it if we ask for it." Does it get any clearer than that? What if they ask for it? What happens to my bank account, loans, houses, anything?

I've been pondering this for some time. What if I setup a trust, and make all sorts of crazy statutes if one was part of the trust. I give them numbers, and a card, then give them some money to sign a few contracts with their signature AND a reference to my special trust number I provided them.
Wouldn't that person then give physical capacity to the trust, and legal title to that contract would simply be held by said trust? Yes. Well, what if I were to remove them from the trust (I set it up that way), I take their card, I take their number. What is left, what legal remedy (may have some equitable) would that person have? All the documents they signed are referencing the trust.

There are times in life when one finally "sees" things for how they really are. Having kids, it's incredible to see the gears grinding in the minds connecting the dots, figuring things out. When we get older, this happens less frequently. But, this last year or so, things really started becoming clear. The biggest thing for me recently was finding that not only are cities incorporated (does the deed to your home reference a plat number, sub division or parcel, you have given them access to your property by dedication), counties are incorporated, and STATES OF ________ all were incorporated by the early 70's. They are corporate states, a private body! [http://savingtosuitorsclub.net/showt...ll=1#post15012

Babies just out of the womb have to have a SS#. I want to know why? Whose child is this?

Isn't SSA just a contract? The old guy referenced above probably never gave out his SSN# to anyone thereby NOT creating a presumption of a contractual (trust) relationship with the .Gov types. We are coerced to provide a SSN# to a new employer when your filling out all the paperwork upon commencing employment. They then use that SSN# to withhold $$ in order to pay the special income tax known as SSA. Now if your liable for the special income tax (SSA) your also liable to the general income tax levied on using bank money (and medicare). The employer then sends a W-3 to the SSA who then sends a W-2 to the IRS, and your misery begins. All of this is based off the presumption that you wish to participate in the SSA programs (contract) and that you are using bank money as your medium of exchange (duty on contracts aka checks). In order to perfect jurisdiction/standing on you they presume the contract was entered into (presenting your SSN# and using bank money) and if you never object to it they win as the injured party (in that you did not perform to the contract by filling out all their stupid forms). Using bank money is the gateway to the SSN contract(tax).

[itsmymoney]

So, another update on this issue..

I received a check from the State (Iowa Department of Revenue) for about 10% of the amount on Tuesday. On Wednesday, I got an explanation letter from them. One form shows how they recalculated my taxes and completely disregarded my "Demand for Lawful Money Reduction". On another form, they put this:

Reason for Notice:
The gross income has been adjusted.
The taxpayers trust fund tax credit has been adjusted or denied.
Your refund claim has been partially denied.

I feel like I should send something back to them arguing that they are breaking the law, though as they as disregarded it already, I feel that I should take this elsewhere. A complaint to the State Treasurer, State Senator, Representative? Any suggestions would be most welcomed!

Perhaps the State denied Breneth's lawful money deduction (instead deeming it a "trust fund tax credit") because Breneth demanded a NET deduction. As Doug555 succinctly explained, the so-called taxable event on "employee/wages" is paid at the GROSS amount level. If the State was wise to lawful money and the proper application of this (on GROSS pay/all transactions) then they probably (and correctly) based their denial on Breneth making an 'empty' demand (on NET pay only). Or perhaps they were ignorant and assumed this is what Breneth was attempting (trust fund tax credit).

I made the same 'empty' demand with a County-recorded affidavit of which I will correct shortly by re-recording a proper Affidavit demand consistent with my first 2015 demand of "lawful money demanded for all transactions per 12 USC 411, 95a(2)" that I made on the FRONT of the paycheck and deposit slip.

I'm surprised Breneth did not follow-up here but perhaps he waived the State refund denial on his 'empty' demand.

[David Merrill]

Perhaps the State denied Breneth's lawful money deduction (instead deeming it a "trust fund tax credit") because Breneth demanded a NET deduction. As Doug555 succinctly explained, the so-called taxable event on "employee/wages" is paid at the GROSS amount level. If the State was wise to lawful money and the proper application of this (on GROSS pay/all transactions) then they probably (and correctly) based their denial on Breneth making an 'empty' demand (on NET pay only). Or perhaps they were ignorant and assumed this is what Breneth was attempting (trust fund tax credit).

I made the same 'empty' demand with a County-recorded affidavit of which I will correct shortly by re-recording a proper Affidavit demand consistent with my first 2015 demand of "lawful money demanded for all transactions per 12 USC 411, 95a(2)" that I made on the FRONT of the paycheck and deposit slip.

I'm surprised Breneth did not follow-up here but perhaps he waived the State refund denial on his 'empty' demand.

Perhaps.

So, another update on this issue..

I received a check from the State (Iowa Department of Revenue) for about 10% of the amount on Tuesday. On Wednesday, I got an explanation letter from them. One form shows how they recalculated my taxes and completely disregarded my "Demand for Lawful Money Reduction". On another form, they put this:

Reason for Notice:
The gross income has been adjusted.
The taxpayers trust fund tax credit has been adjusted or denied.
Your refund claim has been partially denied.

I feel like I should send something back to them arguing that they are breaking the law, though as they as disregarded it already, I feel that I should take this elsewhere. A complaint to the State Treasurer, State Senator, Representative? Any suggestions would be most welcomed!

The Refusal for Cause is likely the best way, if you cannot accept the offer as a settlement.

Keeping a record is typically the way a suitor handles it. Possibly if the State knew you would be publishing their testimony in the USDC on PACER they would have processed the Return correctly?