Egregores

[george]

Any thinking man or woman will notice

he suggest that is the problem. compare to what allodial mentions about opening the door, no?

first givens are flawed.

you should clarify this so we can tell what you are saying is the "first givens" Im not asking you though because it seems questions are useless around here.

From whence is the womb of creation?

tell us, Im not even sure what is this question.

Until then, all systems are based in BELIEF. Which is to say Faith.

if you say so.. you lost me at "first givens"

my intentions are not adversarial MJ. im just trying to relate to what you are trying to say and seems to me that you take offense to my normal mode of conversation so i try a different (unusual) method.

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Until man realizes that HE is the Solar System -

i see stuff like this being suggested often but not from bible thumpers, thats why your opinions interest me but the unusual words you use often makes it a chore.

and that he must be about the inward work - which takes ACTION in the outward expression - he must serve before he can lead, then he will naturally keep pointing the finger and blaming others for his ill estate and condition. Thus naturally he will find himself at the feet of others seeking wisdom.

this makes sense to me except for the "serve" part but i'll no longer ask you anything.

So I ask is the Thought the truth or is matter?

interesting, maybe neither and both are a trap!

And from what womb does matter spring forth absent thought?

that might be the problem. matter may indeed be illusion.

I shall contend for the faith - the Spark of Divinity within - Reborn in the Spirit. The Soul is connected to matter the Spirit is without matter. Just as God is not the Universe but is its Creator.

shall = sometime in the future (thx K. Lentz) I consider also that the spirit IS and need not be "reborn" and; "God" may also have a "Creator" it like that chicken or the egg thing i guess.

MJ, you should know by now i dont trust anyone so please dont take any of this as an attack on you. everyone is suspect, including myself. so when i cant comprehend what is said, written or thought then i resort to feel to see what it is about and that feeling is by energetic relation. spirit. positive, negative, neutral or somehwere in between those.


that guy in the vid has a very interesting view on all this that i havnt seen anywhere else but its kinda like the tou or ineffable one. its certainly as far out there as anything if not more so. i dig that. he did mention egregore several times in a way that ive been contemplating since looking more into the subject.

anyway, thanks for playing.

[ag maniac]

No george.....THANK YOU for playing !!

[Michael Joseph]

MJ, you should know by now i dont trust anyone so please dont take any of this as an attack on you. everyone is suspect, including myself. so when i cant comprehend what is said, written or thought then i resort to feel to see what it is about and that feeling is by energetic relation. spirit. positive, negative, neutral or somehwere in between those.

That is the first lesson - too much trust has been placed in man. This is the great lesson - Israel is every man. Notice they APPOINTED Moses to go up the Mountain FOR THEM? How can one escape such a system of trust? When everyone in the group is Pulling against the one who wants to better himself. So the Preacher Man pulls against the one who would Escape Israel so that the would be escapee might get down in the hole with him.

Ezr_9:15 O LORD God of Israel, Thou art righteous: for we are left but a remnant that is escaped, as it is this day: behold, we are before Thee in our trespasses: for we cannot stand before Thee because of this."

Isa_4:2 In that day [after all the judgments] shall the Messiah of Yehovah become for honour and for glory, and the fruit of the land shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.


Isa 10:17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;

Isa 10:18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and flesh: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth.

Isa 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may count them.

Isa_10:20 And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob [natural seed], shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon Yehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.


Comment: A child can't count very high friend.

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KHLOE - crazy women ruling or attempting to rule over man - Hindu goddess...

Noticing that Adam was alone and then Eve was taken out from Him. I see El Elyon and Wisdom. And it is Her womb which births so then She has built the Temple [The Heavenly Eve - Wisdom]. Mind proceeded matter. Yet we see a vile woman who seeks to tear down and destroy in flattery and psy ops. Leading all the little fishies into the jaws of the crocodile.

Wisdom is the Temple - The Heavenly Pattern [Parent] - I have come to learn from my wife - She washes my feet and anoints my head and I die to her in love. I cannot without her. I need her. Coming up by the way of the south - for my intellect has kept me in the Wilderness for 40 + years of probation - not seeking to cross over Jordan. Swing low sweet Chariot.

But noticing the SUPERHUMAN CREW is on the way....to Desolation Row

Now more than any other time that I can remember it seems the world is in a trance. We need the Holy Spirit - what will they do when she retires for a short season - 40 days/nights. The Rivers will overrun - and the waters will mix with the waters - and men will SHAKE INCESSANTLY.

Let the servants be sealed - hold back the four winds -

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All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

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look at the silly women churches in their folly of Religion working under the Thumb of the prince of this world. But we see barefoot servants - humble ones - working for the King [remnant/Election] escaped of Israel. Then we see the lion in the wilderness seeking whom he may devour but I can already hear the riders approaching and the four winds are about to blow. The Superhuman Crew should be along any minute now....

Studying to show myself approved and not another.....lesson number one .... preacher cannot stand for me in judgment....I shall be judged by the Divine - this little light of mine - I'm gonna let it shine. Amen.


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I have read about the MEN WHO CREATED A NEW PHYSICS - Bohr, Plank, Heisenberg, Pauli, Einstein and many others...whereof are the forces [so called] that hold together the Atom? Explain her shells. Explain her spin. Explain the numerous constituents - how many now - seems they find another everyday - in light of the Crude model - Proton, Electron, Nucleus - and from what womb were these birthed? And from what womb were the LAWS birthed that govern matter?

Oh, I see, lets just start at the Big Bang shall we? Going back into a trance....sleep tight.....from what womb did the Children of that BIG BANG derive - matter?

I was there and so were you - we jumped for joy when SHE birthed matter - a playground for the elohim's. How angry She was when Her children rebelled.


Working within - to serve those without, I remain:
Michael Joseph

[Michael Joseph]

Some keep the Sabbath going to Church –
By Emily Dickinson

Some keep the Sabbath going to Church –
I keep it, staying at Home –
With a Bobolink for a Chorister –
And an Orchard, for a Dome –

Some keep the Sabbath in Surplice –
I, just wear my Wings –
And instead of tolling the Bell, for Church,
Our little Sexton – sings.

God preaches, a noted Clergyman –
And the sermon is never long,
So instead of getting to Heaven, at last –
I’m going, all along.

[Billy James]

Matthew 13, 10-13

Mashal
Nimshal

[george]

"The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it."

more:

Idola tribus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idolon_tribus

[tommyf350]

Egregores seem to come about like everything else, it is dependent on the mind to create a distinctive label for a phenomena. You can tell reading through the links there are many different forms of psycho-physical aggregates and levels of existence that we might apply a label to. At all times they are interdependent and transient. So its nothing that understanding and reasoning can not transform.



The Tibetan Book of the Dead: First Complete Translation (Penguin Classics ...
Introduction (pay attention to the 3 dharma kayas)
http://books.google.com/books?id=22Y...page&q&f=false

The nature of appearances
http://books.google.com/books?id=22Y...page&q&f=false

[allodial]

No doubt, the term 'egregore' is a reference to a a creature of mind and is also a 'word' utilized to label such for convenience in communication.

[allodial]

A graphic from a 2012 thread on wizardforums...

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This is not about promoting this kind of thing but for giving insight into world influences.

[David Merrill]

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More coming soon....

A graphic from a 2012 thread on wizardforums...

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This is not about promoting this kind of thing but for giving insight into world influences.

I have been calling this all "Memory Clusters" for a couple years now. Lately though, I have been considering the same Jesus CHRIST found during the Sunday Glimpse as the exact same memory cluster that was The Voice writing through reluctant (LSD dosing) channel Helen SCHUCMAN; A Course in Miracles.

Interesting!

I had not imagined how some people have been breaking out and categorizing these memory clusters. I thought it interesting how Hollywood's Ghostbusters had done some of that with Dan ACKROID being such an expert on the paranormal.

So people get a sense of channeling Jesus in a hysteria brought upon them by a sense of trust, in the pastor and the worship crew. It is mass hypnosis or displacement hysteria. At this time we lower our ego-defenses to this memory cluster and it overtakes our conscious mind in one of the higher forms presented in the imagery above.

Pragmatism plays with the sexual balance a bit too. The homosexual Science of Mind Spiritual Leader, still a Roman Catholic Priest technically teaches classes and instructs how as the patriarchal influence constructed the business plan of the Nicene Council the matriarchal influence was in France with Jesus' wife Mary MAGDALENE as a protective "spirit". Also that platform teaches that Jesus was truly a united and unified male (left brain) and female (right brain) individual, and by "faith" in patients was able to demonstrate the health benefits of this unity.

I think it might be worth remembering some of the terms. Thank you Allodial.



P.S. Then this presents itself in contrast with the precept of monotheism that Abraham brought upon the scenery. He was allegedly brought up in a family with his father a respected idol manufacturer. But my point is that mathematically if there is only one God, then this God is both YHVH and Allah. If you want to dichotomize God, there is the opportunity right there. Make the distinction between Yehovah and Allah...