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    The Fast

    To the Suitors “in Zion”:

    IF Joel 2:18-27 fulfills Holyday #2 in accord with Revelation 4, AND Joel 2:28-32 fulfills Holyday #3 in accord with Revelation 5, THEN it follows that at some point in time, Joel 2:15-17 must also be fulfilled.

    For those who believe in the LITERAL truth of the Scriptures above, who or what are we waiting for to “consecrate a fast” as the preparation and petition required by the Creator before the deliverance in Joel 2:18 occurs?

    Notice that this is to be done “in Zion“. Zion is a symbol for the true church.

    How many “suitors” on this website are “in Zion”? There is no way to tell…

    But, given this website’s focus on “redemption” and “lawful money“, I believe that there are enough to justify believing that some are members of the true church.

    In that spirit, let us “in Zion”, in faith, hereby, on July 19, 2014 (7=complete, 19=faith, 20=redemption, 14=deliverance) “consecrate a fast” with the intention of being in obedience to that command in Joel 2:15.

    Then, in honor and remembrance of the 20th day of the month of Abib/Nisan, the very day when the ancient Israelites were delivered/redeemed from Egyptian slavery at the Red Sea as a TYPE for our deliverance today, let us consecrate the 20th day of every month as a “fast” day in accord with Joel 2:15.

    So, beginning tomorrow, July 20, 2014, let us fast in prayer and petition as instructed in Joel 2:17, saying “Spare Thy people, O Lord… why should they among the peoples say ‘Where is their God’?“.


    Let me state here, on the record, that I do not feel qualified to be “consecrating” anything, and do not presume to be fulfilling Joel 2:15.


    But I cannot in good conscience withhold this vital information that may, upon release, awaken someone who is worthy and qualified to fulfill that mission.


    As possible and granted, I will post more information about “The Fast” on my website, not only tomorrow, but in future months.


    Certainly our efforts to at least begin, as best we know how, to fulfill Joel 2:15-17 will be noticed by our Creator, and hopefully help lead to His promised response of deliverance in Joel 2:18-27, and His pouring out of the Holy Spirit in Joel 2:28-29. Notice that this all will happen BEFORE the “Day of the Lord” (Holyday #4) prophesied in Joel 2:30-32, and will comprise the literal fulfillment of the next two BIG EVENTS on earth in the Creator’s Phased Master Plan for transforming Man-kind into members of His own Divine God-kind Family, namely, Holyday #2 and Holyday #3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug555 View Post
    To the Suitors “in Zion”:

    IF Joel 2:18-27 fulfills Holyday #2 in accord with Revelation 4, AND Joel 2:28-32 fulfills Holyday #3 in accord with Revelation 5, THEN it follows that at some point in time, Joel 2:15-17 must also be fulfilled.

    For those who believe in the LITERAL truth of the Scriptures above, who or what are we waiting for to “consecrate a fast” as the preparation and petition required by the Creator before the deliverance in Joel 2:18 occurs?

    Notice that this is to be done “in Zion“. Zion is a symbol for the true church.

    How many “suitors” on this website are “in Zion”? There is no way to tell…

    But, given this website’s focus on “redemption” and “lawful money“, I believe that there are enough to justify believing that some are members of the true church.

    In that spirit, let us “in Zion”, in faith, hereby, on July 19, 2014 (7=complete, 19=faith, 20=redemption, 14=deliverance) “consecrate a fast” with the intention of being in obedience to that command in Joel 2:15.

    Then, in honor and remembrance of the 20th day of the month of Abib/Nisan, the very day when the ancient Israelites were delivered/redeemed from Egyptian slavery at the Red Sea as a TYPE for our deliverance today, let us consecrate the 20th day of every month as a “fast” day in accord with Joel 2:15.

    So, beginning tomorrow, July 20, 2014, let us fast in prayer and petition as instructed in Joel 2:17, saying “Spare Thy people, O Lord… why should they among the peoples say ‘Where is their God’?“.


    Let me state here, on the record, that I do not feel qualified to be “consecrating” anything, and do not presume to be fulfilling Joel 2:15.


    But I cannot in good conscience withhold this vital information that may, upon release, awaken someone who is worthy and qualified to fulfill that mission.


    As possible and granted, I will post more information about “The Fast” on my website, not only tomorrow, but in future months.


    Certainly our efforts to at least begin, as best we know how, to fulfill Joel 2:15-17 will be noticed by our Creator, and hopefully help lead to His promised response of deliverance in Joel 2:18-27, and His pouring out of the Holy Spirit in Joel 2:28-29. Notice that this all will happen BEFORE the “Day of the Lord” (Holyday #4) prophesied in Joel 2:30-32, and will comprise the literal fulfillment of the next two BIG EVENTS on earth in the Creator’s Phased Master Plan for transforming Man-kind into members of His own Divine God-kind Family, namely, Holyday #2 and Holyday #3.
    Thank you Doug. You know the great thing about studying with other men is that other men can give new insight; however the wonderful thing about the true church is that it is built upon insight [wisdom] or "latter rain" issued forth by the Holy Spirit. That is to say, I might listen to another man, but I will always check with the Holy Spirit for confirmation.

    Without delving too deeply into this post - and I intend to do so - but at first glimpse I see a discrepancy with the 20th day of the month. Father El Elyon's calendar established and set forth by His Word is based on the Sun and the Moon. The Moon sets the months. The new moon being the start of a month. For instance I should be able to go to any Passover Seder or any Feast of Tabernacles and looking up I should see a full moon.

    I propose that one should walk in The Way that is common to the Kingdom. If I walk in the law common to the Kingdom, then I love [serve] God and I serve my fellow citizen in the Kingdom. Therefore, it is my sacrifice in Love to serve God and man by walking in the law common to the Kingdom [Boundary]. See now the Public Trust?

    The first epistle of John is the Proof that one needs to know said one is in the Kingdom. That is does he walk in the law common [The Way] to the Kingdom. Unfortunately the anti-christ sytem already exists as most folks are under the strong delusion that The Way has been annulled.

    I say, that my salvation comes from without me - but in order for me to keep my salvation - I must walk in The Way. This once saved always saved mess is for the birds and further, this idea that I can no longer sin because I am saved is ridiculous. I must be trustworthy to confess my sin [transgression of the law] and I must repent of that sin. Which means I am not walking [deeds] in my own vain idea of love - but I am serving [loving] the Brethren within the Kingdom by walking in The Way of the Kingdom.

    Jesus Christ [The Way] said "I AM the way, the truth and the life". Which is to say "Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Father El Elyon's mouth". Therefore I, being called, choose to place my life in Trust with Jesus Christ. I am dead in Christ. I await the return of Jesus Christ in Glory.

    Therefore I am about the deeds of purification of my flesh man - washing my robes in the blood of the lamb - which is to say in The Word - my sacrifice is to Love God and man by keeping The Way. My works bring me into Righteousness [Zadok] as one day I hope to be a Meloch in the Kingdom of God, sitting in the Throne with Jesus Christ.

    One unskilled in The Way cannot lead others into it! Said another way, one who has never seen Calculus is not able to teach it!

    Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My throne, even as I also overcame, and sat down with My Father in His throne.

    Let us return to Torah to walk in The Way of the Kingdom. Transformation comes thru experience [deeds]. One must not only be a hearer [gain knowledge] one must put that knowledge into practice if one desires the benefit. There are many who think to usurp Moses [Korah], and some even as Balaam seek the Kingdom's position for profit and gain, but the man of God seeks the Kingdom for Righteousness sake - How may I serve [love] the Brethren - by keeping [walking in, guarding, preserving, contending for] the common salvation.

    For many were saved from Egypt [the flesh age] but when tested they were not allowed to enter the Promised Land! They refused to place their Trust in The Way. Unfortunately all they can see is the flesh aspect. Let us walk boldly in the common faith [trust] with the Brethren in The Way - keeping the Commandments [common law] of El Elyon.

    Let us not forget the Law common to the Kingdom for in doing so we forsake office in the Kingdom.

    Hos 4:6 My People are laid prostrate for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge [of Me], I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to Me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy sons.

    It is easy for the Brethren to spot each other.

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    An important clarification has been appended to "The Fast". Below is an excerpt:


    July 20, 2014 – “Going Beyond Duty”:

    Let me share some insights that came to me so far during “The Fast” that I began observing last night at sunset in accord with the Creator’s Way of defining “days”.

    It is important to clarify that the way that I propose to “consecrate a fast” is NOT commanded in the Scriptures. It is NOT even in accord with the sacred calendar, since the 20th day of the every month in the Gregorian Calendar does not coincide with anything mentioned in the Scriptures, and does not even coincide with the 20th day of Abib/Nisan.

    What I am proposing is beyond any DUTY required in The Law or “The Way that is common to the Kingdom”.

    Let me explain by citing Luke 17:5-10:

    5 And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. 6 And the Lord said , If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root , and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you. 7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle , will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat ? 8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup , and gird thyself , and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken ; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink ? 9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say , We are unprofitable servants : we have done that which was our duty to do.
    Going Beyond Duty” is what I am proposing. Doing something NOT commanded… something the Messiah can truly “thank” us for when He returns.

    Let me cite an example of this “Going Beyond Duty” by relating something special that Mary, the sister of Lazarus, the man the Messiah raised from the dead, did for the Messiah just before His last Passover observance on earth, when He was crucified and died for us.


    Continue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug555 View Post
    An important clarification has been appended to "The Fast". Below is an excerpt:


    July 20, 2014 – “Going Beyond Duty”:

    Let me share some insights that came to me so far during “The Fast” that I began observing last night at sunset in accord with the Creator’s Way of defining “days”.

    It is important to clarify that the way that I propose to “consecrate a fast” is NOT commanded in the Scriptures. It is NOT even in accord with the sacred calendar, since the 20th day of the every month in the Gregorian Calendar does not coincide with anything mentioned in the Scriptures, and does not even coincide with the 20th day of Abib/Nisan.

    What I am proposing is beyond any DUTY required in The Law or “The Way that is common to the Kingdom”.

    Let me explain by citing Luke 17:5-10:



    Going Beyond Duty” is what I am proposing. Doing something NOT commanded… something the Messiah can truly “thank” us for when He returns.

    Let me cite an example of this “Going Beyond Duty” by relating something special that Mary, the sister of Lazarus, the man the Messiah raised from the dead, did for the Messiah just before His last Passover observance on earth, when He was crucified and died for us.


    Continue...

    I like that - going beyond duty. The wife loves her husband as she submits to his authority. I rest not in the seventh day only but everyday in The Word which is to say in Yehoshuah or Jesus Christ. Therefore I will go to church if I please all seven days. I am free in Christ. As I confess and repent I am about the PROCESS of salvation.

    This beloved teacher put in some good work in regard to moving on past the foundational doctrines of Jesus Christ.

    Part 1 - Law v. Grace

    Part 2 - Law v. Grace

    Shalom,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    I like that - going beyond duty. The wife loves her husband as she submits to his authority. I rest not in the seventh day only but everyday in The Word which is to say in Yehoshuah or Jesus Christ. Therefore I will go to church if I please all seven days. I am free in Christ. As I confess and repent I am about the PROCESS of salvation.

    This beloved teacher put in some good work in regard to moving on past the foundational doctrines of Jesus Christ.

    Part 1 - Law v. Grace

    Part 2 - Law v. Grace

    Shalom,
    MJ
    This is not exactly what I had in mind... I believe resting every day would break the first part of the 4th Commandment in Exodus 20:9, which is "Six days you shall labor and do all your work...". And, besides that, it would be presumptuous to add to the Commandments, trying to "out do" God. Job learned that lesson.

    The preacher in the videos is a perfect example of NOT focusing on Holyday #2, and is a good illustration of a "stumbling block" that the Messiah warned us about in Mt 16:23, diverting and subverting one's interest away from the fulfillment of the very next Holyday in the Creator's Phased Master Plan.

    We need to meditate intently on Mt 16:23 and pray that the Messiah would not say these same words to us if we today are not focused on and petitioning for the fulfillment of Holyday #2 – what Our Holy Father in heaven is focused on, interested in, and preparing for right now, just as much as He was for Holyday #1 – The Passover!

    As far as I can tell, there is NO minister that has this truth and focus. Do you know of any? At this point, I consider all of them to be stumbling blocks and cannot recommend listening to any of them to assist with this focus that I believe God commands for us now in Joel 2:15-18 to trigger the fulfillment of Holyday #2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug555 View Post
    This is not exactly what I had in mind... I believe resting every day would break the first part of the 4th Commandment in Exodus 20:9, which is "Six days you shall labor and do all your work...". And, besides that, it would be presumptuous to add to the Commandments, trying to "out do" God. Job learned that lesson.

    The preacher in the videos is a perfect example of NOT focusing on Holyday #2, and is a good illustration of a "stumbling block" that the Messiah warned us about in Mt 16:23, diverting and subverting one's interest away from the fulfillment of the very next Holyday in the Creator's Phased Master Plan.

    We need to meditate intently on Mt 16:23 and pray that the Messiah would not say these same words to us if we today are not focused on and petitioning for the fulfillment of Holyday #2 – what Our Holy Father in heaven is focused on, interested in, and preparing for right now, just as much as He was for Holyday #1 – The Passover!

    As far as I can tell, there is NO minister that has this truth and focus. Do you know of any? At this point, I consider all of them to be stumbling blocks and cannot recommend listening to any of them to assist with this focus that I believe God commands for us now in Joel 2:15-18 to trigger the fulfillment of Holyday #2.
    I will not belittle another man's leading of the Holy Spirit. I however believe that this age is for the preparation of the Election/Remnant of the Woman's seed Ref Rev 12:17. For unto her it was given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom. This is a hard concept for one must understand that there are indeed two harvest periods. But how will the 2nd harvest occur if there are none to work the field?

    Consider their are TWO tribulation periods. 1st is the Tribulation of Anti-Messiah [Satan] and the 2nd is the Tribulation of Yehovah. Jesus Christ said that the time of the 1st Tribulation period was shortened because if it wasn't it might have been possible for even the Elect to be deceived. Consider that statement carefully. The Elect have had the blessing of the Holy Spirit in liberal amount [the latter rain]. Furthermore, one would be a fool if one denied that the Remnant and the Election were not Saints. And if Saints, then part of the true church - the Israel of God. And if part of the True Church what are the Elect still doing working in the field during the Tribulation of Anti-Christ if the church is to be raptured away? What a sad mess indeed. But I digress.

    I see the workers "left behind" [rofl] in the field: the zadok. And it is the Righteous of God that will teach so that the 2nd Harvest can be in abundance. The truth shall POUR out of Zion upon the entire world.

    Eze 44:23 And they shall teach My People the difference between the holy and common, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

    Eze 44:24 And in strife they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to My judgments: and they shall keep My laws and My statutes in all Mine appointed seasons; and they shall hallow My sabbaths.

    Today, the "latter rain" pours out liberally upon the saints - WHEN and IF they ask for it. The Holy Spirit working now in the perfection or maturing or raising up children to adulthood in Elohim.

    However indeed there appears to come a time when the Holy Spirit shall be liberally poured out on all flesh. I do not think that time has yet to come. However, I am about the work of learning The Way as there will be work to be completed in the coming Age. Therefore I am less concerned about WHEN the pouring out will occur and more concerned with the washing of my "robes" in the blood of the lamb. Which is to say my garments [white linen] are made up of my righteous acts. Now are my righteous acts according to my will or the Will of Father El Elyon? Now are the days of the purifying of the Saints. Each man according to his time/calling.

    Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and be exceeding glad, and give the glory to Him: for the marriage-feast of the Lamb is come, and His wife hath made herself ready.

    Rev_19:8 And to her was granted in order that she should be arrayed in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteousness of the saints.

    The wife has made herself ready. She is not deceived by this "do nothing" Christianity. There is work to be done. For many are called but FEW are chosen.

    Seeing that I cannot determine who shall continue and who shall be blotted out, I can only seek my relationship - a special relationship - but my special relationship is according to a COMMON LAW so when I love Father El Elyon in Jesus Christ, then I love the Brethren. But even more, I shall not have respect unto persons. Therefore let El Elyon's Word be true and all men liars.

    Each man according to his gift bestowed upon him. Can you show me where the Saints have an active role in the bringing about the pouring out of the Holy Spirit? I don't get that.

    In the stead what I see is a time frame where all must have had opportunity to experience this flesh age. I grow so tired of those who would condemn because I am not a member of their club. Especially when my God tells me not to go to these houses of vanity on every corner!

    Amo 5:4 For thus saith the Lord unto the house of Israel, Seek ye Me, and ye shall live:

    Amo 5:5 But seek not Bethel, nor enter into Gilgal, and pass not through to Beer-sheba: for Gilgal shall be utterly removed, and Bethel shall come to nought.

    Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD it is darkness, and not light.

    Amo 5:19 According as if a man did flee from the face of a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.


    Do nothing Christianity exhorting themselves about how they cannot wait for the Day of the Lord - this will not be a good thing for them. For unfortunately they will not be saved from the 2nd Tribulation. Sad indeed. They say He will return ANY MINUTE NOW....The House of God has become a den of vipers. As a company of priests murder in the way!




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    I believe that the Creator's Master Plan as depicted by the 7 Annual Holydays was always uppermost in the Messiah's thoughts.

    Mt 16:23 certainly reveals that, in the context of Peter's Satanic advice being a stumbling block to the fulfillment of Passover, Holyday #1, if the Messiah allowed that thought to take root in His mind. (BTW: We would do well to react likewise, following His example, if being subverted by anyone from our calling to fulfill Holydays 2 and 3.)

    But another account also confirms the preeminence of the 7 Annual Holyday Plan/Pattern, as the Messiah recommends how we should also formulate our communications to our Heavenly Father.

    See "The Prayer", and then consider it carefully in the context of where we are now, just before the fulfillment of Holyday #2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug555 View Post
    I believe that the Creator's Master Plan as depicted by the 7 Annual Holydays was always uppermost in the Messiah's thoughts.

    Mt 16:23 certainly reveals that, in the context of Peter's Satanic advice being a stumbling block to the fulfillment of Passover, Holyday #1, if the Messiah allowed that thought to take root in His mind. (BTW: We would do well to react likewise, following His example, if being subverted by anyone from our calling to fulfill Holydays 2 and 3.)

    But another account also confirms the preeminence of the 7 Annual Holyday Plan/Pattern, as the Messiah recommends how we should also formulate our communications to our Heavenly Father.

    See "The Prayer", and then consider it carefully in the context of where we are now, just before the fulfillment of Holyday #2.
    Of course these Holydays will be celebrated in the society of Zion - but what stops them from being celebrated within? That is my point. The Kingdom of Heaven does not come by observation. Yet I do not argue that there will be an outward expression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    Of course these Holydays will be celebrated in the society of Zion - but what stops them from being celebrated within? That is my point. The Kingdom of Heaven does not come by observation. Yet I do not argue that there will be an outward expression.
    Yes, I agree that what is within the heart is very important. In fact the Messiah started with that focus (on "the within") with His "Sermon on the Mount" (Mt 5:1-12).

    But, then in Mt 7:15-21, He warned that "the within" is revealed by "the without".

    Unless there is obedience (outward expression) to the Will of Our Father [7 Annual Holydays], such "celebration within" is self-delusion.

    Mt 7:20-21: 20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven."

    The movie "Inception" is a perfect illustration of this point. Leonardo always had to keep his "token" with him so he could always tell the real world from the dream worlds he went into mentally.

    In the same way, we must always keep "doing the Will of Our Father" (7 Annual Holydays) as our "tokens" (signs) so we can always tell the truth from self-delusion.


    ........................

    P.S. 7/22/2014 - Notice also, Leonardo had to use "kicks" (mental shocks) to break the dream states and get back to reality. In the same way, the Creator is going to use a "kick" to wake us up from the Satanic trance and delusions of this world mental constructs. This "kick" is Holyday #2 - the transformation of the desert (Isa 55:13) in North America (Jacob in Ps 87:2, 99:4).

    Sounds unbelievable doesn't it? Good! Then it is just the shock we need to wake us up!

    Read these verses and prove that this is not what is being portrayed and promised as the fulfillment of Holyday #2.

    This shock is what also explains why there is such a sudden transition from a lukewarm Loadicean church of Rev 3:14-22 to the rise of a zealous worldwide gathering of people from all nations to become a "kingdom of priests" (Rev 5:9-10) that even undergo martyrdom for their zeal in Rev 6:9-11 (5th Seal).
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