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    Endorsement Guaranteed

    In my due diligence to ensure my Lawful Money demand is documented, I went to the bank to get a copy of one of my demands. My methodology for negotiating my checks is to place the lawful money demand, "Special Deposit", no signature of any kind. I normally deposit in the ATM to avoid questions but have used this same method with the teller face to face without issue.

    Anyway when I received my check copy, it had been routed through the system and I see this stamped under my non-endorsement:
    "Credited To The Account Of The Within Named Payee Endorsement Guaranteed Bank of America, N.A."

    Can anyone deduce why the bank is guaranteeing an endorsement? My understanding is that I did not endorse private credit and that my deposit was made as "Special" and therefore the funds deposited have to be made in lawful money and returnable to me as lawful money
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    I prefer hand-writinglawful money and full disclosure is demanded for all transactions 12 USC 411, 95a(2)” on the FRONT of one’s checks and deposit slips, underneath one’s name and address in the upper left-hand corner of these documents (see example above).

    IMO:
    The BACK of the checks is in the private, meaning in the private FRS domain, since all currency is initially and legitimately presumed to private FRN script, and they monetize these instruments based on the endorsement on the BACK of the checks. This is why they can and do object to any "restrictive endorsements" on the BACK.

    (It appears an endorsement is required by someone in their private jurisdiction, and perhaps this is why you see that endorsement on your check by BoA.)

    The FRONT of the check is in the public, meaning in the people's domain. I have never had any objection whatsoever to my approach shown above, using the FRONT of "my" instruments.

    In this way, it is a WIN-WIN scenario.

    They can use plausible deniability to assume FRN endorsement initially, and monetize these instruments, and yet upon the annual filing our 1040's with evidence of demanding lawful money for same, we can subtract the usage fee associated with the use of these presumed FRNs, and also thereby enable them to reduce the national debt by the same, along with all FRN-presumed derivative transactions. A WIN-WIN status quo. IMO.

    For more info on this, see:
    http://1040relief.blogspot.com/p/getting-started.html
    http://lawfulmoney.blogspot.com/p/on...wo-images.html

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    Doug555,
    As you can probably tell by the format of my demand, I have been following your writings regarding lawful money and have found them to be the most easy to read and prescriptive of all the information I find on StoSC and elsewhere. I have noted your opinion on the public/private side of Negotiable Instruments. This example of BofA's guarantee of endorsement may add credence for your argument, however, I have chosen the reverse of the check for my non-endorsement based on reading I have done of Frank O'Collins work. While I cannot independently verify, I have no reason to doubt his research, in the Canons of Positive law #1540 he states:

    "All Documents, whether valid or invalid have at least one Obverse and Reverse with the primary and most ancient purpose of the front or Obverse as the window transmitting the purpose and message of the Document, whilst the Reverse provides the window transmitting any formal reply, or rebuttal"

    I take this to mean my reply and rebuttal to endorsing private credit, should be made on the reverse of the instrument. I would further think that since the Negotiable Instrument is a contract for the promise to pay, any alteration to the contract (The Obverse) would subject the contract to dismissal re:

    "The intentional and material alteration of a written instrument by one party to a contract without the consent of the others, releases those parties not consenting to the alteration from any liability on such instrument to the party making the alteration.14

    12 Twenty-ninth Subject. Volume IX. 1313 Benjamin on Contracts, Sec. 96;

    Butler vs. Miller, 1 Denio, 407,

    410; Banorges vs. Hovey, 5 Mass., 11, 40; Baker vs. Baker, 25 N. J. L., 13, 18.


    Read more: http://chestofbooks.com/society/law/Popular-Law-3-Contracts/Section-81-Discharge-By-Alteration-Of-A-Written-Instrument.html#.VBY05sctCUk#ixzz3DL9wAP8N"

    Thank you for your teaching and insight, in our struggles to comprehend

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    Can anyone deduce why the bank is guaranteeing an endorsement? My understanding is that I did not endorse private credit and that my deposit was made as "Special" and therefore the funds deposited have to be made in lawful money and returnable to me as lawful money.
    I like your stamp but wonder why you demand full discharge? Until I comprehend why you would not demand payment, or even just let that ride inherent with the demand for lawful money, I cannot really discern whether the Bank is obligated to endorse the funds.

    I think though, that by demanding discharge you obligated the Bank to carry the endorsement for you, or rather instead of you.

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    I haven't read quite, but a bank's guarantee or acceptance might be the value given per the request for discharge. I believe David Merrill is alluding to the same.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Discharge is a term used for the termination of all bankruptcy proceedings.

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    This causes me to wonder where I might have found this commentary?

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    I titled the caption; Monetization of Sin. So the inclusion of Title 12 USC §95a(2) is declaration of the peace treaty? I might wish to include some verbiage about this refining the old Coupon Redemption process for Payoff on Credit Card Debt!!

    (2) Any payment, conveyance, transfer, assignment, or delivery of property or interest therein, made to or for the account of the United States, or as otherwise directed, pursuant to this section or any rule, regulation, instruction, or direction issued hereunder shall to the extent thereof be a full acquittance and discharge for all purposes of the obligation of the person making the same; and no person shall be held liable in any court for or in respect to anything done or omitted in good faith in connection with the administration of, or in pursuance of and in reliance on, this section, or any rule, regulation, instruction, or direction issued hereunder.
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    It might also be worth noting the relevance of Article 4, Section 1 of the Articles of Confederation (Organic Laws of the United States of America).

    "The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different States in this Union, the free inhabitants of each of these States, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from justice excepted, shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States; and the people of each State shall have free ingress and redress to and from any other State, and shall enjoy therein all the privileges of [*52] trade and commerce, subject to the same duties impositions and restrictions, as the inhabitants thereof respectively."
    Taking gold out of circulation probably was done with that Article in mind. That said, a bankrupt person is likely deemed 'in debt'. A soldier discharged from duty was likely deemed to be 'encumbered' and civilly dead during his term of service.
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    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    That commentary is from page 831 of Ed Vieira's PIECES OF EIGHT.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Neil View Post
    ..., I went to the bank to get a copy of one of my demands.
    Apparently David Neil is trying to pay himself lawful money with his own checks, otherwise I don't see how the bank is letting him view other people's checks.

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    This check is my paycheck and by rights does not belong to me. I was surprised to see the routing information as well, but normally I have access to see the image when I deposit and that is what I was expecting when I requested the image

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Neil View Post
    This check is my paycheck and by rights does not belong to me. I was surprised to see the routing information as well, but normally I have access to see the image when I deposit and that is what I was expecting when I requested the image
    I have not read all the posts in this thread but I offer the following for contemplation. A checking account is most times a GENERAL account according to the Agreement [which nobody ever reads] and is subject to the U.C.C. Turns out the one making a DE-posit is making a loan to the Trust Company termed a bank. The loan is not secured but is rather unsecured - which means there is no Property standing as surety for the loan.

    Effectively the BANK STORE is selling its services to a customer whereby said customer loans his/her/its interest in notes to the bank. Notice I said interest in the notes. I cannot find my name on those notes - try as I may - I have yet to see my name on those notes. As such, that property is not mine - but I may Enjoy the Usufruct of that Property according to Established Uses. Or rather according to certain Restrictions.

    Therefore a Check is a private demand. And therefore a check is not money within the strict meaning of money. Someone herein mentioned a SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP. A trust is a THREE PARTY relationship and banks have Trust Departments for those who desire a Special Relationship. As an Engineer I have had to work with these Trust Departments many times especially in light of an institutional trustee holding the Real Estate in Trust on behalf of some class of beneficiary[ies]. By the way Engineer is a trust organ. Next time you go over a bridge - or take a drink of water - remember that some Engineer designed and oversaw the implementation of the Benefit you now enjoy. Specifically Engineer is a Title of an OFFICE OF TRUST.

    Just like BANKER.

    So then in General account - you are a customer as depositor/customer; and, in Special account - you are a grantor/beneficiary. As a customer you pay for the service [fees]. If you are a customer, then those transactions are subject to the U.C.C. The rules of the road have been lodged and it is only peoples games you have to dodge.

    I think the reader struggles with the private side of the check demand "TO THE ORDER OF". I myself like that language for it allows me to pass the same instrument to many different vendors by and thru assignment - without that instrument ever being DE-posited into a bank. Assignment is a very useful tool. With assignment - the local grocery - is a bank. Of course there may have to first be established a SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP with said grocery prior to its acceptance of a private instrument.

    Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

    Act 19:16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.



    Now if I have made a loan as an unsecured creditor - then the Uses of the money are no longer in my Possession - therefore whilst the money is within the Possession of the Bank, the money is not mine. I can only regain Use by and thru the Terms of the Agreement established when I choose to become a customer of The STORE.

    If I was with a Special Relationship then, for instance if I Granted five 20's bearing Serial Number [xxxxxxxx] then when I issued a direct order upon the trustee, the trustee would have to produce those specific notes - minus of course his fee to hold that property on my behalf. When the notes are conveyed back to the Grantor the Special Relationship is complete. The titles merge in One as I am possessor of the Use. Again so that confusion does not abound, my name and image is not on the notes - so I have an interest in the Property. And money is intangible property.

    I have a friend who uses a local farmers credit union to perform all of his banking activities. Like I said this is a community organization setup in TRUST to its Grantors. Each Grantor, grants his or her interest in Trust to this Union and the Union undertakes as Trustee to perform certain functions on the behalf of its Beneficiaries. At the end of the year if the Bank has wisely used the money's entrusted to its care, then the Bank issues profits back to the grantors as a percentage of the funds in its possession. An accounting is made to each of the Shareholders [Grantors] of the Bank. This is a double edged sword - one must Trust [verb] one's Trustee. This is a true marriage. Husbands [Trustee] love your wives [Beneficiary] and wives [Beneficiary] submit to your husbands [Trustee]. The two become one in trust.

    A workman is worthy of his hire. A trustee is FOR HIRE position - appointed to duty by the one who has that Power under the Agreement. Has anyone noticed that FRACTAL nature of Legal. It is the same Pattern over and over and over again - no matter how high up the ladder or if one is at the bottom - the same pattern exists.

    It's like Bon Jovi sang: "Its all the same, only the names have changed"....

    If I make a DEMAND FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411, then by that deed, I recognize the existing Trustees and I refuse to ORDER UP new credit. I recognize that there ALREADY exists a surety for the notes - secured in Property - why should I become a surety for the expansion of the money supply? And not only I but in my mis-deed I make you too a surety. Thus by my Order I bind you too. Or I could demand the existing Trustees perform in recognition of the existing surety [GUARANTEE].

    Why should I continue to sell myself and you too for no consideration in return? 0.1% interest on my loan does not make sense in light of fractional reserve banking practices which reflect in expansion of the money supply and is the TRUE CAUSE of Inflation. We did it to ourselves. We are each other's keeper. We are connected in the Public Trust.

    When you begin to comprehend how a Kingdom or State is built then you will see - it is the ESTATES that are pledged as surety. Look around friend. You may have noticed that foreigners own many of the Estates already.

    What was will be again: Where is your trust friend?

    Isa 36:4 And Rabshakeh said unto them, Say ye now to Hezekiah, Thus saith the great king, the king of Assyria, What confidence is this wherein thou trustest?

    Isa 36:5 I say, sayest thou, (but they are but vain words) I have counsel and strength for war: now on whom dost thou trust, that thou rebellest against me?

    Isa 36:6 Lo, thou trustest in the staff of this broken reed, on Egypt; whereon if a man lean, it will go into his hand, and pierce it: so is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all that trust in him.

    Isa 36:7 But if thou say to me, We trust in the LORD our God: is it not he, whose high places and whose altars Hezekiah hath taken away, and said to Judah and to Jerusalem, Ye shall worship before this altar?

    Isa 36:8 Now therefore give pledges, I pray thee, to my master the king of Assyria, and I will give thee two thousand horses, if thou be able on thy part to set riders upon them.

    Isa 36:9 How then wilt thou turn away the face of one captain of the least of my master's servants, and put thy trust on Egypt for chariots and for horsemen?



    Rabshakeh is prepared for war and he wants payment of the debt. What pledge does he desire? An INTEREST in the Claim established which is to say the Ownership of the Estates. Look around today, do you trust in the Air Craft carriers, the tanks, the weapons of war for your protection and safety. These are as nothing friend. These too shall come to nothing for already SCALAR weaponry makes these seem as children's toys.

    Isn't it high time we realize WE ARE OUR BROTHER's KEEPER? Yet day in and day out WE EAT UP OUR FLESH - which is to say we sell our strength to the enemy - all for the sake of PROFIT.

    Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.


    I have written to the physical desires, yet I see many living in fancy houses yet their Spiritual House is yet to begin construction. The spiritual lessons always play out right before our very eyes. Awaken thou that sleepeth.

    Hag 1:2 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, This people say, The time is not come, the time that the LORD'S house should be built.

    Hag 1:3 Then came the word of the LORD by Haggai the prophet, saying,

    Hag 1:4 Is it time for you, O ye, to dwell in your cieled houses, and this house lie waste?

    Hag 1:5 Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways.




    Regards,
    MJ
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