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    Certificate of Removal From United States and Canada - In their own words !

    Two copies included. Filed in duplicate with registration receipt when a vehicle registered in NYS is being removed from the US and Canada and will be exempt from NYS insurance requirements.

    It has been said that, "the Crown owns Canada & the "United States", this seems to be further proof of that fact.

    dmv.ny.gov/forms/fs113.pdf
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    The phrase "the United States and Canada" smacks of a singularity (i.e. mathematical union) IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    The phrase "the United States and Canada" smacks of a singularity (i.e. mathematical union) IMHO.
    Well Dean Clifford also said that "we're owned by the same entity, it sure seems that way to me too".

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveunderlaw View Post
    Well Dean Clifford also said that "we're owned by the same entity, it sure seems that way to me too".
    There is more than one "United States". Dean Clifford should know that. The United State being owned by someone or some entity doesn't make "we" owned AFAIK. Also "international traffic" seems to have a 'twin' or 'cousin' called "interstate commerce".
    Last edited by allodial; 10-31-14 at 07:24 PM.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    I associate it more closely to METRO organization - global municipal jurisdiction, because of New York.

    The priests get a jurisdiction that is spread throughout the territorial jurisdictions. See I Chronicles Chapter 6.

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    Have you noticed that they stated the vehicle has been removed for "international traffic"?
    TRAFFIC is criminal law meaning the sale and distribution of illegal materials, notably narcotics.

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    Now I am curious.

    What is the purpose of the Form? Is it a Uniform Form? Does Colorado have a Form like it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    There is more than one "United States". Dean Clifford should know that. The United State being owned by someone or some entity doesn't make "we" owned AFAIK. Also "international traffic" seems to have a 'twin' or 'cousin' called "interstate commerce".

    I'm pretty sure he was talking about the corporations, and not the actual land mass.

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    David this is the relevant section of V&T 318, it's very telling !

    http://ypdcrime.com/vt/article6.htm?...=318.1+a#t318.

    S 318. Revocation of registrations, drivers' licenses and non-resident
    privileges. 1. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this subdivision, the
    commissioner, upon receipt of evidence that proof of financial security
    for any motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle or a motor vehicle
    registered with registration plates of this state issued in the year
    corresponding to the model year date in which the vehicle was
    manufactured pursuant to schedule G of subdivision seven of section four
    hundred one of this chapter, registered in this state is no longer in
    effect shall suspend the registration of such vehicle and the driver's
    license of the registrant, in accordance with the provisions of
    subdivision one-a of this section.

    (b) Such motor vehicle shall not be registered or reregistered in the
    name of such person, or in any other name where the commissioner has
    reasonable grounds to believe that such registration or reregistration
    will have the effect of defeating the purposes of this article, and no
    other motor vehicle shall be registered in the name of such person
    during the period of such suspension.

    (c) Suspension shall not be made under this subdivision upon the basis
    of a lapse or termination of insurance if the registration certificate
    and number plates of the motor vehicle are surrendered prior to the time
    at which the termination of insurance becomes effective. Such surrender
    shall be made to such officers of the department as the commissioner
    shall direct, but the registrant at his option may surrender the
    registration and number plates to any county clerk who is acting as an
    agent of the commissioner pursuant to section two hundred five of this
    chapter. Such county clerk may accept a surrender of registration and
    number plates and require the payment of a fee of one dollar whether
    such surrender is made before or after the effective date of termination
    of insurance. The county clerk shall retain any such fee which may have
    been collected, and shall return such registration certificates and
    number plates, or dispose of the same, only as prescribed by the
    commissioner. For the purposes of this section the expiration of a
    registration without renewal of such registration shall be deemed to be
    a surrender of registration as of the date of expiration.

    (d) Suspension shall not be made under this subdivision upon the basis
    of a lapse or termination of insurance if the vehicle has been, or will
    be, prior to the date of such lapse or termination, removed from the
    United States in North America and the Dominion of Canada for the
    purpose of international traffic
    , provided that the owner of such
    vehicle, prior to the date of such lapse or termination, has filed with
    the commissioner a statement, in a form prescribed by him, indicating
    that the vehicle has been, or will be, so removed, and agreeing to
    notify the commissioner immediately upon return of the vehicle to the
    United States in North America or the Dominion of Canada. Upon receipt
    of the foregoing statement the commissioner shall restrict the use of
    the registration to such international traffic until new proof of
    financial security has been secured for the vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveunderlaw View Post
    I'm pretty sure he was talking about the corporations, and not the actual land mass.
    Is there a landmass called the United States? Or are there landmasses or entities that are construed to be territories of the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I associate it more closely to METRO organization - global municipal jurisdiction, because of New York. The priests get a jurisdiction that is spread throughout the territorial jurisdictions. See I Chronicles Chapter 6.
    The said territory, and the States which may be formed therein, shall forever remain a part of this Confederacy of the United States of America, subject to the Articles of Confederation, and to such alterations therein as shall be constitutionally made; and to all the acts and ordinances of the United States in Congress assembled, conformable thereto. The inhabitants and settlers in the said territory shall be subject to pay a part of the federal debts contracted or to be contracted, and a proportional part of the expenses of government, to be apportioned on them by Congress according to the same common rule and measure by which apportionments thereof shall be made on the other States. Source: Article 4, the Northwest Ordinance
    Yes...territories. Is that what happens when a municipality swallows up an entire county? Everyone is presumed to be in dead hands of a corporation (i.e. no man's land cos they're all 'dead')? Does that have anything to do with the Egyptian Book of the Dead? Speaking of the Constitution for the United States of America of 1788--smells like a territorial government charter. If they wanted to be sneaky and expand their territory beyond its original confines, syntax games would probably do the trick--ya know like having Territorial governments posing as something other than what they are.

    Related: terra nullius; no man's land; Northwest Ordinance; Plenary Power.

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    Re: New York... New York might be a special case.

    Re: Colorado forms...

    Colorado MV forms here.

    Colorado has a similar system to Missouri and Kansas. You'd probably have to attach an affidavit with the proper language with a Statement of Transfer or the like. Missouri and Texas each have form for surrender of a driver licenses but the State of Missouri folks don't make them readily available. You can call them and arrange an appointment to do the surrender. Perhaps they have a form for surrender of license plates.

    Key might be assigning it in such a way that it goes to a non-resident.
    Last edited by allodial; 11-02-14 at 01:01 AM.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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