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    Question NEW YORK STATE vs. STATE OF NEW YORK - More bureacratic word magic.

    Thanks to Wayne Baumann for this information. It's insane to think that it's the same in all 50 of the American territories ! Here's the other signature on the NEW YORK STATE (legal definition is STATE OF NEW YORK, Not New York state) Look it up.

    https://www.dos.ny.gov/info/constitution.htm
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    Old news, there is definitely a difference between "University of New York" and "New York University". If you take a gander across states, you'll likely find that there are often dual university systems. University of Missouri vs Missouri State University... University of Illinois vs Illinois State University. There is a difference between New York Attorney General and Attorney General of the State of New York. There is a difference between Emperor of Germany and the German Emperor (was regarded by Otto von Bismark to be superior than the former). The difference between "New York" and State of New York is that New York refers to a nation. The State of New York seems to refer to a trust, an estate (i.e. state) or other type of organization. However, in statute "New York" might be defined to mean or to be short for "State of New York" or for "the State of New York".

    It might be worth noting or researching whether or not New York ratified the Constitution for the United States of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Old news, there is definitely a difference between "University of New York" and "New York University". If you take a gander across states, you'll likely find that there are often dual university systems. University of Missouri vs Missouri State University... University of Illinois vs Illinois State University. There is a difference between New York Attorney General and Attorney General of the State of New York. There is a difference between Emperor of Germany and the German Emperor (was regarded by Otto von Bismark to be superior than the former). The difference between "New York" and State of New York is that New York refers to a nation. The State of New York seems to refer to a trust, an estate (i.e. state) or other type of organization. However, in statute "New York" might be defined to mean or to be short for "State of New York" or for "the State of New York".

    It might be worth noting or researching whether or not New York ratified the Constitution for the United States of America.



    The New York Provincial Congress of local representatives declared itself the government on May 22, 1775, first referred to the "State of New York" in 1776, and ratified the New York State Constitution in 1777. While the British regained New York City during the American Revolutionary War using it as its military and political base of operations in North America and a British governor was technically in office, much of the remainder of the former colony was held by the Patriots. British claims on any part of New York ended with the Treaty of Paris of 1783.

    It looks as though they formed the "NEW YORK STATE" corporation the following year Allodial ! So the State of New York, and true law still exists. It really is two forms of government when you think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveunderlaw View Post
    The New York Provincial Congress of local representatives declared itself the government on May 22, 1775, first referred to the "State of New York" in 1776, and ratified the New York State Constitution in 1777. While the British regained New York City during the American Revolutionary War using it as its military and political base of operations in North America and a British governor was technically in office, much of the remainder of the former colony was held by the Patriots. British claims on any part of New York ended with the Treaty of Paris of 1783.

    It looks as though they formed the "NEW YORK STATE" corporation the following year Allodial ! So the State of New York, and true law still exists. It really is two forms of government when you think about it.
    So ... you get the general idea. They probably aren't feeling guilty about any jurisdictional dyslexia you may have heretofore suffered. Perhaps this might help you and any readers reach a cure: The City of St. Louis is (the name of) a municipal corporation (happens to be a homerule, independent city). However, St. Louis City refers to a county (aka County of St. Louis City). However, many seem to presume "City of St. Louis" and "St. Louis City" to be synonymous--t'aint so. "St. Louis County" refers to yet another (Missouri) county. Making "assumptions" is one thing. Making presumptions is another. Two different things.
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    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    So ... you get the general idea. They probably aren't feeling guilty about any jurisdictional dyslexia you may have heretofore suffered. Perhaps this might help you and any readers reach a cure: The City of St. Louis is (the name of) a municipal corporation (happens to be a homerule, independent city). However, St. Louis City refers to a county (aka County of St. Louis City). However, many seem to presume "City of St. Louis" and "St. Louis City" to be synonymous--t'aint so. "St. Louis County" refers to yet another (Missouri) county. Making "assumptions" is one thing. Making presumptions is another. Two different things.


    Most of them are delusional tyrant psychopaths, they don't feel anything for anyone one at all except themselves. Yes I see your point Allodial, I wish that more people knew about this information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveunderlaw View Post
    Most of them are delusional tyrant psychopaths, they don't feel anything for anyone one at all except themselves. Yes I see your point Allodial, I wish that more people knew about this information.
    Yeah re: the underlying history/truth perhaps. But basic English grammar is another thing--or is it French? Do they easily mistake "water pump" for "pump water"?
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    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    I prefer to explain it simply through METRO organization. Global municipal policy.

    Where else do you find such a seat of Roman civil infrastructure? - Where David ROCKEFELLER could actually donate 18 acres of land as international soil.


    Answer: Geneva. Interestingly just up the Rhone Valley is where the Pope keeps a private castle like a residential retreat - as I recall. More simply put, I could easily describe a mental model where those who endorse private credit from the Federal Reserve vote themselves into New York State while those non-endorsing and demanding lawful money are voting out of the Fed Districts and are situating themselves into the Constitutional form - State of New York.


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    Quote Originally Posted by loveunderlaw View Post
    The New York Provincial Congress of local representatives declared itself the government on May 22, 1775, first referred to the "State of New York" in 1776, and ratified the New York State Constitution in 1777. While the British regained New York City during the American Revolutionary War using it as its military and political base of operations in North America and a British governor was technically in office, much of the remainder of the former colony was held by the Patriots. British claims on any part of New York ended with the Treaty of Paris of 1783.

    It looks as though they formed the "NEW YORK STATE" corporation the following year Allodial ! So the State of New York, and true law still exists. It really is two forms of government when you think about it.
    I believe this might have been the turning point...

    For most states is usually starts with something along the lines of... ""Report of Governor's Task Force Study on the Reorganization of the Executive Branch of State Government"

    Then they quickly follow with whats listed below.

    Amendment to the Constitution** effective January 1, 1962
    A Constitutional Amendment to eliminate the executive department and give the authority to create the executive offices of the Governor
    Originally proposed : Assembly Print No. 4567 (1960) - sponsor Assemblyman Walmsley
    Approved 2nd year in a row as identical bills in 1961
    Senate Print No. 501 - sponsors: Senator Pierce
    Assembly Print No. 746: sponsor: Assemblyman Goddard
    Submitted to "the People of New York" for vote (1961); passed

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikecz View Post
    I believe this might have been the turning point...

    For most states is usually starts with something along the lines of... ""Report of Governor's Task Force Study on the Reorganization of the Executive Branch of State Government"

    Then they quickly follow with whats listed below.

    Amendment to the Constitution** effective January 1, 1962
    A Constitutional Amendment to eliminate the executive department and give the authority to create the executive offices of the Governor
    Originally proposed : Assembly Print No. 4567 (1960) - sponsor Assemblyman Walmsley
    Approved 2nd year in a row as identical bills in 1961
    Senate Print No. 501 - sponsors: Senator Pierce
    Assembly Print No. 746: sponsor: Assemblyman Goddard
    Submitted to "the People of New York" for vote (1961); passed

    I like how the bandits have converted everything they can to "Administrative Rules", instead of actual law !

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