NEW YORK STATE vs. STATE OF NEW YORK - More bureacratic word magic.

[allodial]

Old news, there is definitely a difference between "University of New York" and "New York University". If you take a gander across states, you'll likely find that there are often dual university systems. University of Missouri vs Missouri State University... University of Illinois vs Illinois State University. There is a difference between New York Attorney General and Attorney General of the State of New York. There is a difference between Emperor of Germany and the German Emperor (was regarded by Otto von Bismark to be superior than the former). The difference between "New York" and State of New York is that New York refers to a nation. The State of New York seems to refer to a trust, an estate (i.e. state) or other type of organization. However, in statute "New York" might be defined to mean or to be short for "State of New York" or for "the State of New York".

It might be worth noting or researching whether or not New York ratified the Constitution for the United States of America.

[loveunderlaw]

Old news, there is definitely a difference between "University of New York" and "New York University". If you take a gander across states, you'll likely find that there are often dual university systems. University of Missouri vs Missouri State University... University of Illinois vs Illinois State University. There is a difference between New York Attorney General and Attorney General of the State of New York. There is a difference between Emperor of Germany and the German Emperor (was regarded by Otto von Bismark to be superior than the former). The difference between "New York" and State of New York is that New York refers to a nation. The State of New York seems to refer to a trust, an estate (i.e. state) or other type of organization. However, in statute "New York" might be defined to mean or to be short for "State of New York" or for "the State of New York".

It might be worth noting or researching whether or not New York ratified the Constitution for the United States of America.

The New York Provincial Congress of local representatives declared itself the government on May 22, 1775, first referred to the "State of New York" in 1776, and ratified the New York State Constitution in 1777. While the British regained New York City during the American Revolutionary War using it as its military and political base of operations in North America and a British governor was technically in office, much of the remainder of the former colony was held by the Patriots. British claims on any part of New York ended with the Treaty of Paris of 1783.

It looks as though they formed the "NEW YORK STATE" corporation the following year Allodial ! So the State of New York, and true law still exists. It really is two forms of government when you think about it.

[allodial]

The New York Provincial Congress of local representatives declared itself the government on May 22, 1775, first referred to the "State of New York" in 1776, and ratified the New York State Constitution in 1777. While the British regained New York City during the American Revolutionary War using it as its military and political base of operations in North America and a British governor was technically in office, much of the remainder of the former colony was held by the Patriots. British claims on any part of New York ended with the Treaty of Paris of 1783.

It looks as though they formed the "NEW YORK STATE" corporation the following year Allodial ! So the State of New York, and true law still exists. It really is two forms of government when you think about it.

So ... you get the general idea. They probably aren't feeling guilty about any jurisdictional dyslexia you may have heretofore suffered. Perhaps this might help you and any readers reach a cure: The City of St. Louis is (the name of) a municipal corporation (happens to be a homerule, independent city). However, St. Louis City refers to a county (aka County of St. Louis City). However, many seem to presume "City of St. Louis" and "St. Louis City" to be synonymous--t'aint so. "St. Louis County" refers to yet another (Missouri) county. Making "assumptions" is one thing. Making presumptions is another. Two different things.

[loveunderlaw]

So ... you get the general idea. They probably aren't feeling guilty about any jurisdictional dyslexia you may have heretofore suffered. Perhaps this might help you and any readers reach a cure: The City of St. Louis is (the name of) a municipal corporation (happens to be a homerule, independent city). However, St. Louis City refers to a county (aka County of St. Louis City). However, many seem to presume "City of St. Louis" and "St. Louis City" to be synonymous--t'aint so. "St. Louis County" refers to yet another (Missouri) county. Making "assumptions" is one thing. Making presumptions is another. Two different things.

Most of them are delusional tyrant psychopaths, they don't feel anything for anyone one at all except themselves. Yes I see your point Allodial, I wish that more people knew about this information.

[allodial]

Most of them are delusional tyrant psychopaths, they don't feel anything for anyone one at all except themselves. Yes I see your point Allodial, I wish that more people knew about this information.

Yeah re: the underlying history/truth perhaps. But basic English grammar is another thing--or is it French? Do they easily mistake "water pump" for "pump water"?

[mikecz]

The New York Provincial Congress of local representatives declared itself the government on May 22, 1775, first referred to the "State of New York" in 1776, and ratified the New York State Constitution in 1777. While the British regained New York City during the American Revolutionary War using it as its military and political base of operations in North America and a British governor was technically in office, much of the remainder of the former colony was held by the Patriots. British claims on any part of New York ended with the Treaty of Paris of 1783.

It looks as though they formed the "NEW YORK STATE" corporation the following year Allodial ! So the State of New York, and true law still exists. It really is two forms of government when you think about it.

I believe this might have been the turning point...

For most states is usually starts with something along the lines of... ""Report of Governor's Task Force Study on the Reorganization of the Executive Branch of State Government"

Then they quickly follow with whats listed below.

Amendment to the Constitution** effective January 1, 1962
A Constitutional Amendment to eliminate the executive department and give the authority to create the executive offices of the Governor
Originally proposed : Assembly Print No. 4567 (1960) - sponsor Assemblyman Walmsley
Approved 2nd year in a row as identical bills in 1961
Senate Print No. 501 - sponsors: Senator Pierce
Assembly Print No. 746: sponsor: Assemblyman Goddard
Submitted to "the People of New York" for vote (1961); passed

[loveunderlaw]

I believe this might have been the turning point...

For most states is usually starts with something along the lines of... ""Report of Governor's Task Force Study on the Reorganization of the Executive Branch of State Government"

Then they quickly follow with whats listed below.

Amendment to the Constitution** effective January 1, 1962
A Constitutional Amendment to eliminate the executive department and give the authority to create the executive offices of the Governor
Originally proposed : Assembly Print No. 4567 (1960) - sponsor Assemblyman Walmsley
Approved 2nd year in a row as identical bills in 1961
Senate Print No. 501 - sponsors: Senator Pierce
Assembly Print No. 746: sponsor: Assemblyman Goddard
Submitted to "the People of New York" for vote (1961); passed

I like how the bandits have converted everything they can to "Administrative Rules", instead of actual law !

[David Merrill]

I like how the bandits have converted everything they can to "Administrative Rules", instead of actual law !

Government in Miniature is not allowed to exist without judicial review and oversight.

[loveunderlaw]

Government in Miniature is not allowed to exist without judicial review and oversight.

What does that mean exactly ? I know without a contract they have no real power over you, but I'm not clear on the rest of what you meant.