criminal syndicalism as a thing of the past

[loveunderlaw]

Thank you Allodial! That kind of posting is very informative.

That is a very edifying link Loveunderlaw. Especially interesting to me is the part about oaths.

Criminal syndicalism is itself the swearing in together. Public officials swearing in together form government and judiciary. This is symbolically the beginning of Separation in the Bible too.



Jesus warns us all explicitly never to swear and in most courts, maybe all, the alternative of affirming is granted but that process is only admissible before a sworn in official. The surface reasoning behind swearing is that one must be subject to the judge for perjury. Thinking that through though, that submission is saying, I am like you now. I join your judiciary/lodge.

I see your point, "I swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth" makes sense now under that context.

[David Merrill]

Here they swear in: Do you swear or affirm...

In context of the above case, as well as in my daydreams hypothesizing my Answer:

Absolutely NOT!

But here's the thing. I would not pull this stunt until being sworn in to testify. If I am a defendant then the judge would then be refusing to let me testify and trying to make it look like I refused to testify because I refused to swear in.

So the judge might tell me that I have to swear in, or affirm so that I will incur the same penalties for perjury. I would say that I do not like being punished and that I do not subject myself to his judgment. [Likely I have not even researched his oath of office at that stage if I am summoned as a material witness.] Why would I allow myself to be judged whether I am lying on the stand or not?

This is a difficult point to get for most people. Conditioning. If he cannot punish me for perjury without me swearing or affirming that is great. Being outside the Bar, or the Court, whatever you want to call it is exactly where I want to stay. However I am still subject to the Government (CHRIST Jesus) where I choose to stay. So I best not lie or mislead in any way, huh?

[David Merrill]

Perhaps those Amway victims internalize the matter and take it personally with frustration their inability to sell $9 bottles of laundry detergent to their neighbors who can buy the same for $2 around the corner. So here they are sold books. Just like 'Blacks' and 'Whites' sold crappy 'self help materials' in the form of public schools that they be utterly dumbed down with hopes they'll never realize exactly what's transpiring around them...

Thank you Allodial! I think now I see how it is that Amway survives such accusations as pyramid scam. My passage (Page 38) is unaffected by this enlightenment. I am speaking about internal politics while importing one style of criminal syndicalism inside another. - Amway in Christianity Explored. This indicator I found was that people allowing misbehavior of an upline Amway distributor were in his downline. These Amway couples vie for favor with their upline fellow Christians awaiting distribution of failed downline distributors' downlines. A state within a state - politics within politics.

[Keith Alan]

A slight change of subject, but this thread has turned to something I've been thinking about lately, about swearing oaths and making affirmations -

“And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”

Is this not an oath? A pledge made before Divine Providence? If the question is inappropriate, please disregard or delete it.

[walter]

Its funny how refusing to swear an oath can be punishable in some cases
"Juror jailed after refusing to take oath in federal court; judge calls act unprecedented"
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...fusing_to.html


and not in others.
"Airman denied reenlistment for refusing to say 'so help me God'
http://archive.airforcetimes.com/art...y-help-me-God-

[David Merrill]

A slight change of subject, but this thread has turned to something I've been thinking about lately, about swearing oaths and making affirmations -

“And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.”

Is this not an oath? A pledge made before Divine Providence? If the question is inappropriate, please disregard or delete it.

Those 56 Signors are sometimes thought of as Party to the (Constitution) Contract. So you are right on topic; thanks!

Its funny how refusing to swear an oath can be punishable in some cases
"Juror jailed after refusing to take oath in federal court; judge calls act unprecedented"
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapi...fusing_to.html


and not in others.
"Airman denied reenlistment for refusing to say 'so help me God'
http://archive.airforcetimes.com/art...y-help-me-God-

That is interesting. There is probably something in the Jury Summons process where the jury commissioner grabbed that kind of jurisdiction?

[walter]

That is interesting. There is probably something in the Jury Summons process where the jury commissioner grabbed that kind of jurisdiction?

It has to be a little more then that because I have read on the net that there has been fines and jail for some witness on the court stand that refused the oath.
They get contempt.
But I think that charged is stretched to the assumption that "you are employed by the government."



http://law.justia.com/codes/wyoming/...ection-6-5-306

2014 Wyoming Statutes

TITLE 6 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES
CHAPTER 5 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION
ARTICLE 3 - PERJURY AND CRIMINAL FALSIFICATION
6-5-306. Refusal to appear or testify; avoidance of service; penalties; summary proceedings for contempt.

(a) A person is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than six (6) months, a fine of not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750.00), or both, if he:

(i) Refuses or intentionally fails to obey a lawful subpoena or citation which has been served upon him;

(ii) Secretes himself or leaves his residence to avoid being served with a subpoena; or

(iii) Refuses to take an oath or affirmation or, being sworn or affirmed, refuses to answer a question required by the court or presiding officer.

(b) This section shall not prevent summary proceedings for contempt.

[allodial]

Perjury. In England, perjury, as being a sin, was originally a matter of ecclesiastical cognisance.

Had a hunch and found that.

Jesus warns us all explicitly never to swear and in most courts, maybe all, the alternative of affirming is granted but that process is only admissible before a sworn in official. The surface reasoning behind swearing is that one must be subject to the judge for perjury. Thinking that through though, that submission is saying, I am like you now. I join your judiciary/lodge.

So the Fallen Angels (Azazel and company) made a religious pact or formed a secret society? Its simple enough that if someone makes a false statement on a form that he deposit a sum in money and forfeit it should the false statement give rise to injury or loss. Prepayment vs postpayment?