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    Allah? The Moon God?

    ALLAH – the Moon God
    The Archaeology of the Middle East

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    The religion of Islam has as its focus of worship a deity by the name of "Allah." The Muslims claim that Allah in pre-Islamic times was the biblical God of the Patriarchs, prophets, and apostles. The issue is thus one of continuity. Was "Allah" the biblical God or a pagan god in Arabia during pre-Islamic times? The Muslim's claim of continuity is essential to their attempt to convert Jews and Christians for if "Allah" is part of the flow of divine revelation in Scripture, then it is the next step in biblical religion. Thus we should all become Muslims. But, on the other hand, if Allah was a pre-Islamic pagan deity, then its core claim is refuted. Religious claims often fall before the results of hard sciences such as archeology. We can endlessly speculate about the past or go and dig it up and see what the evidence reveals. This is the only way to find out the truth concerning the origins of Allah. As we shall see, the hard evidence demonstrates that the god Allah was a pagan deity. In fact, he was the Moon-god who was married to the sun goddess and the stars were his daughters.

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    In Old Testament times, Nabonidus (555-539 BC), the last king of Babylon, built Tayma, Arabia as a center of Moon-god worship. Segall stated, "South Arabia's stellar religion has always been dominated by the Moon-god in various variations." Many scholars have also noticed that the Moon-god's name "Sin" is a part of such Arabic words as "Sinai," the "wilderness of Sin," etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact built as a shrine for the Moon-god.

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    The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al-ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

    The fact that they were given such names by their pagan parents proves that Allah was the title for the Moon-god even in Muhammad's day. Prof. Coon goes on to say, "Similarly, under Mohammed's tutelage, the relatively anonymous Ilah, became Al-Ilah, The God, or Allah, the Supreme Being."

    This fact answers the questions, "Why is Allah never defined in the Qur'an? Why did Muhammad assume that the pagan Arabs already knew who Allah was?" Muhammad was raised in the religion of the Moon-god Allah. But he went one step further than his fellow pagan Arabs. While they believed that Allah, i.e. the Moon-god, was the greatest of all gods and the supreme deity in a pantheon of deities, Muhammad decided that Allah was not only the greatest god but the only god.

    In effect he said, "Look, you already believe that the Moon-god Allah is the greatest of all gods. All I want you to do is to accept that the idea that he is the only god. I am not taking away the Allah you already worship. I am only taking away his wife and his daughters and all the other gods." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence. Muhammad thus attempted to have it both ways. To the pagans, he said that he still believed in the Moon-god Allah. To the Jews and the Christians, he said that Allah was their God too. But both the Jews and the Christians knew better and that is why they rejected his god Allah as a false god.

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    Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be. . . a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?[Source]
    It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located. [Source]
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    Nimrod was consecrated as the "Sun God" by his wife ('Semiramis') when she took the reins of rule over Babylon after Nimrod's death. Her created religion is the original Mystery Babylon from which ALL other religions/cults/mythologies/etc. are derived. She exalted herself as the "Moon Goddess" and declared herself a deity to be worshiped. Hence the title "Queen of Heaven", the direct antithesis of our Father in Heaven.

    Religion of Babylon

    Moon worship is the culmination of the rebelliousness started by Nimrod who was relegated to obscurity after his death other than supplying the "divine rays" through which Semiramis became impregnated with the 'divine son' Tammuz. This is why 'Moon Worship' overtook 'Sun Worship' and why the crescent moon symbol became a mainstay in religions derived from this worship.

    Roman Catholic religion

    Therefore, "Allah" as the "Moon God" makes sense according to the timelines provided in allodial's postings; "Moon Worship" had already been established at the time of "Mohammed's" declaration, and transformation, of the name "Allah" as the "one god of Islam".

    The current narrative regarding who is practicing the "Real Islam" is upside down in my opinion. I believe the so-called "Islamic Extremists" are the true adherents to the teachings of "Mohammed" and his "Koran" and the majority of non-violent 'muslims' are people who know deep down that murder and forced submission is wrong. Therefore, they are really "neo-islamic" and do not follow the example of "Mohammed".

    Contrast that with Jesus The Christ; people who do NOT follow His example fall short of being adherents of "The Way"; a state that most self-proclaimed "Christians" fall under even in some cases without knowing it.

    It is an interesting dichotomy indeed, thanks again allodial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans View Post
    The current narrative regarding who is practicing the "Real Islam" is upside down in my opinion. I believe the so-called "Islamic Extremists" are the true adherents to the teachings of "Mohammed" and his "Koran" and the majority of non-violent 'muslims' are people who know deep down that murder and forced submission is wrong. Therefore, they are really "neo-islamic" and do not follow the example of "Mohammed".

    Contrast that with Jesus The Christ; people who do NOT follow His example fall short of being adherents of "The Way"; a state that most self-proclaimed "Christians" fall under even in some cases without knowing it.
    1. Christianity was spread by the sword. Remember Charlemagne and his conquest of Western Europe along with promotion of Christianity throughout the conquered territories? That was all promulgated by the sword.

    2. Let's not forget Christianity's role in colonialism, slavery, torture, racism, and warfare throughout Europe and the world.

    3. European history is rich with examples of extremism in Christianity. The United States have some examples as well to toss into the ring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shikamaru View Post
    1. Christianity was spread by the sword. Remember Charlemagne and his conquest of Western Europe along with promotion of Christianity throughout the conquered territories? That was all promulgated by the sword.

    2. Let's not forget Christianity's role in colonialism, slavery, torture, racism, and warfare throughout Europe and the world.
    "Charlemagne's method is military conquest followed by forced conversion and the planting of missionary outposts, usually in the form of bishoprics. In his book of rules, the official punishment for refusing to be baptized is death."

    Sound familiar?

    Your reflex response is typical of those who presume "Christianity", as promoted and practiced by the "Holy Roman Church", is synonymous with the teachings of Jesus The Christ.

    That was my point if you actually read what I wrote; those who murder and forcefully submit others to ANY religion are NOT following the true faith as taught by Jesus The Christ. Jesus NEVER instructed His followers to "take up the sword" and implement forced submission unto God around the world. True believers in Christ are peace makers and make a willing choice to worship the true pre-existent Creator of ALL things, YHWH ("I AM that I AM").

    Slavery, torture, racism and warfare for the purpose of converting non-believers are ALL against the true teachings of our Lord and Savior, Jesus The Christ. Anyone who practices these things are NOT true believers; the "Pope" is NOT the "Vicar of Christ" as there is no "go-between" for His true followers.

    Anyone who believes and follows Jesus The Christ (The Way) is a member of God's set-apart family of Yis'rael (NOT the STATE OF ISRAEL) regardless of ethnicity or race. This is a voluntary choice, not a forced conversion by the edge of a sword or the barrel of a gun.

    Can the same be said for "mohammed", the founder of Islam?

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    The Crusades, Christianity, and Islam

    The modern narrative regarding "The Crusades" is yet another way to obscure the truth regarding the true followers of "mohammed" and Islam. The violent "jihadists" adhere to the same practices of the founder and creator of the religion of Islam - 'submission' not peace. The "Crusades" were mostly a defensive response to the offensive invading armies of Islam into the lands of "Christendom".

    Obviously, I believe there is more to the violence of "jihadists" than pure religious fanaticism; there are forces behind the scene funding both sides as a tactic of distraction. Using easily brainwashed and weak-minded people to meet a certain end has been commonplace for eons.

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    A Muslim Freemason admitted that many pretend to be Christian while practicing Islam in secret and have done so throughout history. Asserting an inside view he stated that for the most part Freemasons practice Islam in secret while outwardly pretending to be Christians. He even stated that many pretend Christian churches were run by Freemasons. He also gave a kind of impression that Muslims believe themselves to be "the true Jews" (thus the no eating pork, Halal meat, etc.). That might explain the hostility toward non-Muslims who hold themselves out to be Jews.

    So, I asked him if all that were true, how could he blame Christians for anything knowing that even he himself pretends to be Christian knowing that the Bible doesn't promote spread of the gospel by military means. The look on his face ...
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    was to say the least unusual. What came to mind was a cyclic redundancy error on an old 80s home computer.

    Nowhere in the Bible is there any support of spreading the Gospel by sword. It is PSYOPs against true bible-believers and has been for centuries.

    As for self-defense, the Barbary Treaties were catalyzed by frequent Muslim raids of ships and countries whereby Muslims would take people into slavery. I was surprised to find that Muslims and Arabs were the predominant slave traders. The notion that Muslims subjected African Christians to slavery is not far-fetched.

    There is reasonable evidence that those on Christopher Columbus' ships who were keen on slave trade weren't Christians and that there were those who renounced their Catholic beliefs to profiteer from slavery.

    In the past many years, the Bible has been falsely made out to be about a "White Man's" religion or a "slave master" religions. From decades of analysis, this was deception to undermine the strength of "Black" and "White" Christian communities--to destroy them one way or another. Look at the communities today. One of the saddest deceptions foisted on young Black men is the idea that they'd find think they would find freedom and equality among Arabs or Arab religions (i.e. among the primary slave traders and perpetrators of that kind of bigotry).

    One pro-communist, Islamist I know of spoke of how much stronger Black families and communities were in the 60s and early 70s. The two major trends were that Islam and Pop culture (feminism, etc.) started taking hold and eroding the moral and spiritual strength and foundations of those communities.

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    EGYPT: As Muslim Construction Workers Shout “Allahu Akbar,” Coptic Monks Lie Down In Front Of Bulldozer To Protect Ancient Christian Monastery


    If it were a European religion someone forgot to tell the Christians of Africa--they've been at it since around 42AD and hundreds of years before Constantine was even born.


    One of the most bizarre manifestations of African-American pride is its contemporary identification with Islam. The Nation of Islam (Black Muslim movement) plays on the racism against black people by white people hence you hear them use terms like "white devils", etc.

    The Muslim Hadith says Muhammad was a white man, so Black Muslims actually serve Islamic whites, even though they speak against whites. [Source]
    Not to mention that there Mohammed's wife (Khadija) may have been Jewish!

    Khadija - was the first wife of the Prophet Muhammad.A follower of Judaism, according to traditions she became the first female convert to Islam, the new religion Muhammad had begun to preach. She was approximately 15 years his senior when she proposed the idea of marriage. She married him in 595. She supported him throughout his mission and such was his love for her that he took no other wife until after her death. The year of her death has been named the "Year of Grief", because of the devastation it caused the Prophet. She was his only wife for about 25 years until her death.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    "It was in Babel that we see that Nimrod may have been the first post-alluvial mason. He used his skill of masonry to build a brick tower in rebellion against YHWH. At that time, the whole earth spoke one language and had the same understanding as handed down by Noah. Then God said that as one people united in language and thinking, they will be able to accomplish whatever they set their minds to. This is the prototype of the One World Order. One government, one thinking and one way of doing things. YHWH put a stop to it by sending confusion through the scrambling of their language so that they were not able to understand one another. "

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    The first Mason, the first earthly Baal in allegiance to the Satan.

    In an attempt to counterfeit the gathering back, or reclaiming, of the Nations described in the book of Acts at Pentecost, the rebellious one wishes to do the same as a result of the scattering event at Babel.

    One World. One Religion. One Order.

    The amalgamation of religion and "New Age" esoterism (nothing "new" about mysticism) will reunite the ALL the rebellious as One People - as it was attempted by Nimrod in Babylon.

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    Exactly. There are those who believe themselves to be 'gathering in the souls' or doing the 'sheparding of souls' with the mindset of having rejected the true shepard.
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    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    To take it a step further...

    Serpent Gnosticism

    "Secret Knowledge" is the foundation of religions derived from Nimrod's Babylon. I guess he was also the first "Gnostic" earthly leader. The "archon" Sophia is also a worshiped "goddess" (Like Semiramis) who gave birth to the Demiurge which gnostics refer to as YHWH, the angry God who withheld knowledge from Adam and Eve.
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    It is interesting that both Judaism and Islam acknowledge Jesus The Christ, what He did and what He said. Both, however, deny that He is who He said He was (God incarnate) while not being able to refute the extraordinary miracles He performed. The Pharisees claimed He did these works by the power of Satan, while Mohammed claimed Jesus was the greatest prophet, besides himself, but was misguided by claiming to be God incarnate.

    The denial of Jesus the Christ's Divinity is central in all belief systems outside of the true faith. So, essentially there are only two faiths:

    1) Those who believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ

    2) Those who do not believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ

    Choose your flavor; the customs and names may change, but it is all the same rebellious act of denying the true God of Creation.

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