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    I will wager they will dismiss with leave. Basically means they "put it on the shelf" - until a later time that they can gain a better toe hold in order to prosecute this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    Nice way to spend the day I suppose. Enjoy the experience and tell us all about it when you finish. Frederick Burrell
    Nice way??? Not really, but for a responsible and competent man on the land, this, at times, becomes a necessary way to spend a day. I do intend to share the experience, whether it is enjoyable or not, as best I can.

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    Why is it you seek martyrdom. Your appearance is their demand and you are agreeing to it. I would say they are in control of the situation and hence have jurisdiction. But what do I know. Frederick Burrell
    General appearance and special appearance are different beasts .

    There is more than one form of appearance ....
    Last edited by shikamaru; 03-26-11 at 08:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    Why is it you seek martyrdom. Your appearance is their demand and you are agreeing to it. I would say they are in control of the situation and hence have jurisdiction. But what do I know. Frederick Burrell

    It may not go the way I say it should. But this way, Anthony Joseph will R4C timely and have a certified copy of that from his USDC evidence repository and the judge will deal with that. Even if AJ shows up restricted appearance (Rule E(8)) to prevent fraud on the court, the judge will have difficulty saying that he Failed to Appear, wont he? Imagine that! AJ is standing right there and the judge acknowledges his right to appear restricted instead of generally by complaining that he has failed to appear?

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    I have a very similar situation going. I R4C'd two tickets. One for no safety and one for no current registration. Return the contract to the Chief of Police. So far I have not received an invitation to appear. It has been 3 weeks. Should they demand an appearance, since I am in Thailand, I will have to R4C the invitation. So it will be interesting to see how both cases work out. Frederick Burrell

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    more than likely it is dismissed with leave [DWL] since these are infractions. There is probably a FTA but DWL. Awaiting you to really screw up and they will haul out all of this again. But then again, who knows.
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    One thing I find interesting in my case is the officer wrote the ticket out to my true name and not the my legal name. Not sure how this will effect things. Frederick Burrell

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    this is exactly my point found HERE.

    The officer is attempting to Construct a Trust. The NAME does not matter at Contract Law it can easily be overcome. DA to Officer - "is that him?" Officer: "Yes sir."

    The name game at commercial law is not grounds for abatement. See the following Sanitized Report:

    -----

    17 MR. DA: --- Who -- whoever he
    18 is, he's the person we're seeking to put on trial
    19 today.
    20 True Name: Does -- does the one
    21 being put on trial not have to be named?
    22 THE COURT: No.
    23 True Name: Oh, so they don't have
    24 to be named?
    25 THE COURT: No. We -- we've tried

    00047

    1 John Doe's/

    -----

    4 MR. DA: Judge, the state is
    5 contending, no matter what he may call himself today
    6 -- he can call himself Mickey Mouse if that's what he
    7 wants to call himself
    , but his body, that person, is
    8 the one that this officer says was on that occasion
    9 driving that motor vehicle.
    10 What he wants to call himself, I really
    11 don't care. We're here to try this person for the
    12 charges issued by this officer. And we're ---
    13 THE COURT: --- That's what the
    14 trial will determine.
    15 MR. DA: Right. .........

    blah, blah, blah....


    25 THE COURT: Well, we understand --

    00015

    1 and I'll be happy to refer to you as True Name --
    2 that True Name is here for the trial of driving
    3 with an expired registration plate and driving a
    4 vehicle -- operating a vehicle without any license.
    5 That's what we're here for trial.
    6 The state will present any evidence that
    7 you were the person that was present on......

    -----

    Your actions imply your trust! What you call yourself at commercial law really does not matter.

    If he found TRUE NAME in the Federal Reserve Districts - moving on STREET/ROAD/HIGHWAY and TRUE NAME is with a Residential Address - well he has then conducted his Survey and found TRUE NAME within the STATE.

    Was his survey correct? Only you know! A choice, yes?
    Last edited by Michael Joseph; 03-27-11 at 02:33 AM.
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    It would seem you are right in this regard. Interesting. Frederick Burrell

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    What came first man or name? Does law say man must accept whatever name given?

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