Israel and the Church

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[Michael Joseph]

Religion is truly a sickness.

[Michael Joseph]

Religion is truly a sickness.

Mar_10:33 Saying, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:

Chief Priests = Religion
Scribes = Teachers of Religion
Gentiles = thoughts of carnal mind

Arguing over religion is the death of Christ. Emotional Intellectualism is in the WEST - where Ephraim camps. I don't care one bit for history or literalism, that does not help me in the least bit! That in my opinion is choosing Death over Life. Life is in the Spirit.

So Religion is a grave sickness that some cling to like a Linus Blanket! Once an heir appears those steeped in religion will immediately seek to kill the joy he has found with their institutionalized religion. The little foxes spoil the vine.

I sure am glad that I don't need any of that ilk. And this offends religionists. Once The Way is known, the taught ones are no longer in need of instruction! There is no longer a ten percent tithe in money! For the taught ones know the ten percent is a tithe of their own vain reasonings. If the people ever get taught, the religionists are out of a job!

For then, behold we would ALL be a Kingdom of Priests. Whereof are states required? Whereof are religions required? Yet this threatens the ego and power and wealth. Therefore, the scribes cling to what THEY THINK they know - and therefore these deliver Christ to their lower mind to put Christ to death at the place of the SKULL. Which is to say CALVARY - Cranium.

I did not say these are who put Jesus to death- these kill Christ. They say "come He is the heir, let us kill him and the estate shall be ours." Our religion will have the corner on the market!

Nevertheless is one is filled with Christ and gains a political following - then that one become dangerous to the religious establishments - and therefore, that one is dangerous to the Control program. Therefore eventually the holy rollers will think to kill the man as well - Religion is grand - isn't it? What a sad joke!

Religion is a gross darkness. By that I mean traditions, history, and intellectualism - these are all vanity. And there is no fruit to be had from these.

There is an accuser in my house - my carnal mind - which tells me that with the knowledge that I have come to possess, I could stake a claim in God and come to rule over many. Some call this Satan or the Devil - which in my opinion is mere weakness. It allows them to point the finger at another so that they don't have to take personal liability for themselves. Fact is, I overcome those weaknesses in Christ thru the Abraham/Sarah aspect of myself. God is with me - I AM.

Therefore, I do not count it robbery to say that I am equal with God for in those moments the Father and I are one! Amen.

Shalom,
MJ

[stoneFree]

Religion is truly a sickness.

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine

[Michael Joseph]

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine

Amen. You got it. Spiritual Books in the hands of religious zealots is why we have war. For while many have a zeal for God they lack knowledge. Yes indeed that dog will hunt!

Rom_10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Comment: Establishment of their own righteousness is called, you got it, RELIGION.


So what does our Creator want of us?

Left Hand - Charity or Love for others
Right Hand - Knowledge of God


Hos 6:6 For I desired charity, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

Isa 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Isa 1:12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

Comment: Yet RELIGION worships with their hands THINKING themselves to be pleasing to God. They don't understand their own book!

Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Comment: Yet RELIGION worships with their hands. Pray tell, where does God dwell. Well Jesus said the Kingdom of God is within me. That just can't be says the religionist. Come on down to our building, why we can put you into a Salvation Package for just ten percent down. And once you die, then we will deliver on the goods.

2Co_13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


Comment: KNOWING THYSELF is the LAST thing religion teaches - that is eastern mythology. Think again.

1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Comment: Well, what can I say. Hmmmm. That Salvation Package is starting to look like a SHAM!

1Co_6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Comment: Gee, I am starting to get the point. What do I need religion for when I can begin to know myself and learn of the Kingdom of God within. REVELATION - I don't need religion at all! I am free!

Let the white dove return. May Medusa's head be cut off [carnal mind] and carnal thoughts [snakes] and let the White Horse come This Day - For My Mother said : To Day if you can hear His voice!

Shalom,
MJ

[Michael Joseph]

What's more important the Love Letter or the Love? When I was away I used to write my sweetheart with the hope and expectancy that we should have a face to face fulfillment of our love. Why does religion put the letter above the relationship?

I am Jacob, I am Moses: And so is every man and woman:

Gen_32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

Exo_33:11 And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.


Comment: Nevertheless men love their heroes. Why Moses was a Great Man - I could never be like Moses - HOGWASH - you are Moses - IF and ONLY IF - you have been drawn out of the waters of God's Truth. You ascend the Mountain wherein the Fire is atop the Mountain - and you are baptized in Fire by the Holy Spirit.

Apparently this woman never got the memo that God is unavailable until some futuristic return:

Son 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

Son 1:6 Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

Son 2:6 His left hand is under my head, and his right hand doth embrace me.

Son 2:7 I charge you, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the roes, and by the hinds of the field, that ye stir not up, nor awake my love, till he please.

Son 2:8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills.

Comment: Abraham, Lot, Jesus all went up into the high Mountain. It is there that Christ is found in higher consciousness - the Upper Room a garden eastward in Eden. I suppose many think a face to face relationship is unobtainable. I wonder why? A rhetorical question, of course.

A knowing is required! And this is where religion binds most. This is where the ignorant hurl their darts. But lets just see what the Bible says shall we:

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Comment: Gee, somewhere else Romans 7:14 we learned the LAW was physical....no it was literal....no that's not it.....oh yes, It is Spiritual! Ah yes, that's it. Honor thy Father and thy Mother.

Shalom,
MJ

[george]

Religion is truly a sickness.

is anyone immune? if you take it a few steps further, is not language a religion?

we each have unique perspectives. (or so it seems anyway)

Ive got a bad habit.. its reading. (and you thought smoking was bad?) havnt quit cold turkey yet so figured I would read more from Plato until then because the republic seemed reasonable to me so Ive started on Timeaus.

WOW! if your gonna read something.. THIS! Ive seen what y'all can make out of those bible words here. cant begin to imaging what you could do with Plato's!

unless your mind is (pre)made, then I can see it already if you know what I mean.

interesting thread, seems to have spawned several others but they all start with cut & paste jobs too.

anyone know about these guys? http://reignoftheheavens.org/ claim to have the bible jesus property/land mass that is just above israel and the pope never claimed it.

pretty fascinating story if nothing else look at the videos to get a quick idea.

me? I dont believe nothing and I dont know anything either, a new leaf for me, it feels good though.

[xparte]

If God needs to be put on paper then re-legion is mens rea for the re - venue of God. God is no re species actor of persons thats my journal for that speculative fiction, temple was destroyed God was,nt The Christ over turned the tables in that temple the temple cant overturn that truth rebuilding for a messianic miracle pagans they burnt down a gambling house the messianic truth Christ was the message that's no miracle if u get the message you lose the sickness .

[allodial]

Religion is truly a sickness.

From analysis and research, it was Nimrod (aka Gilgamesh) and his associates who were adepts at devising systems for capturing and binding men to their political structures using deception and "religion", etc. It is suggested that they held themselves out as divine god-kings and were tyrants who devised complex 'religions' to help justify their rule, abuses and systems and that such was and is their "craft" or "the Craft". Get it? Nimrod as a hunter...perhaps even a hunter or snarer of men willing to reduce men to chattel if ever it suited Nimrod's interests--hunter/manhunter. I imagine it might have been rather easy for Nimrod/Gilgamesh to build cities when he could populate them through kidnapping and slavery, eh?

Nimrod as a mighty hunter founded a powerful kingdom; and the founding of this kingdom is shown by the verb with vav consecutive, to have been the consequence or result of his strength in hunting, so that hunting was intimately connected with the establishing of the kingdom. Hence, if the expression "a mighty hunter" relates primarily to hunting in the literal sense, we must add to the literal meaning the figurative signification of a "hunter of men" (a trapper of men by stratagem and force); Nimrod the hunter became a tyrant, a powerful hunter of men... -Source: Commentaries On the Old Testament (by C.F.Keil and F. Delitzsch) translated from German

It is also suggested that Nimrod set and his co-horts set themselves up to be gods over men but while in active rebellion against the Godhead.

Its worth noting that Gilgamesh accompanied by a half man half beast type creature set off to the mountain of God to kill "Huwawah" (or is it "Yuwawah"?). If Gilgamesh = Nimrod (Rebel) then the stories of Gilgamesh would tend to point at Nimrod being an "antichrist" (against the Annointed/Annointing) type who was out to kill God, and, if not God, his people.

Attalus III had little interest in ruling Pergamon, devoting his time to studying medicine, botany, gardening, and other pursuits. He had no male children or heirs of his own, and in his will he left the kingdom to the Roman Republic.

The link between Nimrod and Rome might have a lot to do with what happened to the Chaldean priesthood (the same ones who Daniel would have been familiar with) post Belshazzar: it is suggested that they found refuge at Pergamos/Pergamum (Western turkey, Asia Minor) and set up camp there. What links with Rome and Asia Minor might be obviated thusly: Attalus III bequeathed his dominions to the Romans. Being that Attalus III had no heirs the Chaldean priesthood had to wait for a successor which would be Julius Caesar (born 100BC). Could it be the account of Jesus' "40 days in the wilderness" serves as a record Jesus' rejection of an offer of kingship under the Chaldean priesthood?

In the book Passover & Sukkot (pp. 368, 369) by Thomas H. Perdue, it is explained how Julius Caesar became successor to the Babylonian/Chaldean priesthood and heir to the titles held by Attalus III (i.e. "Supreme Pontiff of the Babylonian Order"). In Revelations the seat of Satan is held to have been at Pergamum/Pergamos. It is suggested by the author or others that the "seat of Satan" (or at least control of it then) was transferred to the control of Rome or the Romans in 133 BCE with kings of Pergamum up to that point taking the place of Belshazzar (as in successors) in the view of the Chaldean/Babylonian priesthood at Pergamum.

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I suppose it depends on what one means by "religion".

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Nonetheless, the eloquent point is in that one of the fascinating things about the article that is the centerpiece of this thread is that the article shows how much "religion" has served to obfuscate the truth about 70 AD.

[Michael Joseph]

From analysis and research, it was Nimrod (aka Gilgamesh) and his associates who were adepts at devising systems for capturing and binding men to their political structures using deception and "religion", etc. It is suggested that they held themselves out as divine god-kings and were tyrants who devised complex 'religions' to help justify their rule, abuses and systems and that such was and is their "craft" or "the Craft". Get it? Nimrod as a hunter...perhaps even a hunter or snarer of men willing to reduce men to chattel if ever it suited Nimrod's interests--hunter/manhunter. I imagine it might have been rather easy for Nimrod/Gilgamesh to build cities when he could populate them through kidnapping and slavery, eh?



It is also suggested that Nimrod set and his co-horts set themselves up to be gods over men but while in active rebellion against the Godhead.

Its worth noting that Gilgamesh accompanied by a half man half beast type creature set off to the mountain of God to kill "Huwawah" (or is it "Yuwawah"?). If Gilgamesh = Nimrod (Rebel) then the stories of Gilgamesh would tend to point at Nimrod being an "antichrist" (against the Annointed/Annointing) type who was out to kill God, and, if not God, his people.



The link between Nimrod and Rome might have a lot to do with what happened to the Chaldean priesthood (the same ones who Daniel would have been familiar with) post Belshazzar: it is suggested that they found refuge at Pergamos/Pergamum (Western turkey, Asia Minor) and set up camp there. What links with Rome and Asia Minor might be obviated thusly: Attalus III bequeathed his dominions to the Romans. Being that Attalus III had no heirs the Chaldean priesthood had to wait for a successor which would be Julius Caesar (born 100BC). Could it be the account of Jesus' "40 days in the wilderness" serves as a record Jesus' rejection of an offer of kingship under the Chaldean priesthood?

In the book Passover & Sukkot (pp. 368, 369) by Thomas H. Perdue, it is explained how Julius Caesar became successor to the Babylonian/Chaldean priesthood and heir to the titles held by Attalus III (i.e. "Supreme Pontiff of the Babylonian Order"). In Revelations the seat of Satan is held to have been at Pergamum/Pergamos. It is suggested that the Seat of Satan then was transferred to Rome in 133 BCE with kings of Pergamum up to that point taking the place of Belshazzar for the Chaldean/Babylonian priesthood at Pergamum.

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I suppose it depends on what one means by "religion".

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Nonetheless, the eloquent point is in that one of the fascinating things about the article that is the centerpiece of this thread is that the article shows how much "religion" has served to obfuscate the truth about 70 AD.

How does some city being destroyed in 70 AD help me in the least bit today? When I began to understand that Nimrod/Herod are aspects of my lower carnal mind then i began to see. Herod will ALWAYS seek to imprison John [who is also an aspect of me]. Why? Because the spiritual impulse will always be arrested by the carnal mind that wants what it wants. And when the desires become too great - Herod will always cut off the head of John so that his, I mean MY, way can be accomplished.

I mean who wants to live with a guilty conscience?

Otherwise who gives a rats ass about some crusty dude who lives in a cave near the river wearing camels hair, eating locusts and honey? Yep, no allegory there! Must have happened! Please, spare me.

A camel can carry water [truth of God] within its own body thru a wasteland or desert [this carnal life]. Whilst others are dying of thirst [allegorically the truth of God] the camel has enough truth [wise virgins] to sustain.

A locust is a devourer of the field - strips it bare. John devours the devourer. Therefore the John aspect of me, my Higher Mind is not ruled by the carnal aspect of me.

I mean c'mon even if there was a Herod and a John - why do I care even in the least bit? What so that I might be justified in my intellect. Look at me, I'm the great man - I have the great brain - Who cares! What are we gonna do today Brain, we're taking over the world!

Old Pirates yes they rob I
sold I to the merchant ships

Some [literalists] say it's just a part of it, we've got to fulfill the book......


Shalom,
MJ