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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Context is very much important. The Epistle to the Philippians was a letter to believers (not to non-believers) who had all likely been baptized, believed on Jesus Christ ... likely had hands (of the presbytery) laid on them or had the support and direction of the Holy Spirit, even had an anointing (AFAIK all kingly or priestly power in the OT was vis-a-vis an anointing).

    Re: two donkeys. The impression I got is that he sat on the clothes (clothes = them).
    That would seem reasonable and logical wouldn't it? I believe it was common practice in ancient near east culture to place garments upon animals as a saddle for someone to sit upon.

    They brought the donkey and the colt and put on them their cloaks, and he sat on them.

    Many garments placed on both animals not knowing which animal He wished to ride upon; they accommodated him by either choice.

    The denial of Jesus' uniqueness (fully man AND fully God) is essential to all false beliefs, ergo, the necessity to allegorize EVERYTHING in scripture.

    The motive is always to deny the special and true nature of our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ.

    People see what they want to see; the "You will be as God" deception has been the most prominent tool of the adversary since the garden incident. All rebelliousness against our preexistent Father in Heaven began with that lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans View Post
    That would seem reasonable and logical wouldn't it? I believe it was common practice in ancient near east culture to place garments upon animals as a saddle for someone to sit upon.

    They brought the donkey and the colt and put on them their cloaks, and he sat on them.

    Many garments placed on both animals not knowing which animal He wished to ride upon; they accommodated him by either choice.
    Even to this day people put clothes/garments/saddles upon animals and sit on them.

    The denial of Jesus' uniqueness (fully man AND fully God) is essential to all false beliefs, ergo, the necessity to allegorize EVERYTHING in scripture.

    The motive is always to deny the special and true nature of our Lord and Savior Jesus The Christ.
    They know who He is but he spells endgame to a large-scale deception. Their denial of mankind being made in the image of God is part of it too. Of course, if one were selling membership in an organization as a way to access "godhood", one might regard Jesus Christ and God to be competition especially if he's giving things away for free.

    People see what they want to see; the "You will be as God" deception has been the most prominent tool of the adversary since the garden incident. All rebelliousness against our preexistent Father in Heaven began with that lie.
    The Bible and the historical records appears to be telling a story about men who believed themselves to be "God" and who without seeking help or tutelage of God have caused great and terrible harm throughout history while justifying themselves and their untoward deeds on the account of believing themselves to be "God" accountable to no one.

    It seems that what the Adversary wanted was to wield men as tools against God rather than have those men receive tutelage and wisdom from God and be out the Adversary's reach. Even still, wisdom would have it that if someone has a "God nature" that he would seek wisdom and tutelage from God rather than from his adversaries.

    The paradigm of Nimrod and his followers having made a practice of kidnapping to build societies seems to have been going on in the World for a long time, even in the USA. To this day, ISIS appears to be doing that very thing. Muslim raiders were kidnapping women and children even as far back in the 1700s and 1800s and further. In the USA, since the 1860s the attempt has been in impressing forced citizenship upon living souls (psychic kidnapping). The patterns are too easy to miss and the Bible helps solve the riddle.
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    Matthew 5:17-19
    17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    The issue of "gnosis" vs "obedience/trust" began in Eden.

    It will be settled by the literal fulfillment of Holyday 2, which. in turn, will prove the literal historical fulfillment of Holyday 1 by a historical Jesus.

    We will not need to rely on secular historical records, especially since the Word is the foundation of all truth.

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    The issue of "gnosis" vs "obedience/trust" began in Eden.
    It seems to me that quite a bit of folks are somehow adverse to gnosis as if it is scary or taboo. Gnosis is knowledge. If one can't appreciate gnosis, can one appreciate St. Paul?

    Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

    Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

    Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

    Those who would be religionists seek to establish their own righteousness. The tithe of the ten percent is a deed of total sacrifice to place one's entire life in trust with Jesus Christ trusting in the words of Christ Jesus. The carnal mind and all of its religious ideas are all "spotted cattle" which must be sacrificed.

    For the flesh profits nothing. but who can hear such a hard statement? I wonder if we can't trust St. Paul, can we trust Christ Jesus?

    John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

    now can you understand the Parable? For Jesus NEVER opened his mouth except that he spoke in a Parable! How can I say that:

    Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:


    I trust Christ Jesus. But this is just me. If one wants to keep days, months, years eat certain foods, etc well go ahead but it profits nothing in regard to the Spirit. Keeping those religious traditions and rites are death. But I let the Reader consider as it must be.

    This "wait and see" religion is in my opinion bull dung! Jesus never said "wait and see". He told Martha the truth but in her religious zeal she could not hear.

    Joh 11:20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.

    Joh 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

    Joh 11:22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

    Joh 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.


    Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

    Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

    Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

    But unfortunately she could not believe she was waiting for some future event. Many in religion today are the walking dead - they have yet to come alive in the Spirit.

    Joh 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

    Joh 11:28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.


    Nevertheless Jesus proclaimed in his gospel that the Kingdom of God was at hand! and yet, few can hear him - they are waiting for some future event. The carnal mind of desire [getting their salvation] blinds them to the reality that the Kingdom is available this day.

    For the Holy Spirit said To Day if you can hear his voice!

    Psa_95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,

    Heb_3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

    Heb_3:15 While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

    Heb_4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

    IF David lived, he lived a long time before this this time! And he sayeth to DAVID To Day. I wonder if David wondered after some future event. Seems not.

    Many harden their minds looking to some future event - waiting for another day - Reference Kadesh-Barnea

    Deu 1:2 (There are eleven days' journey from Horeb by the way of mount Seir unto Kadeshbarnea.)

    Deu 1:3 And it came to pass in the fortieth year, in the eleventh month, on the first day of the month, that Moses spake unto the children of Israel, according unto all that the LORD had given him in commandment unto them;

    Deu_1:35 Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers,

    The "men of Israel" would not listen to the Higher Mind [Moses] therefore they wondered in Probation [40 years] in the wilderness of confusion when if they would just listen it would have just taken 11 days. 11 is the number of Joseph - Balance - an anointing of the "coat of many colors" - the 7 Spirits of God. But they doubted how could their religion be wrong? So they waited and all died in the wilderness. Consider carefully what that is saying to each of you. Enter in TO DAY if you hear His voice.

    Psa 95:8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:

    Psa 95:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.

    Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:

    Psa 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

    Those who can't accept the Kingdom is at hand THIS DAY - cannot enter into the Spiritual Sabbath - the 7th Day Celestial Man - Noah sitting in the tent drunk on the New Wine.

    You can imagine your alcohol if you want but it is only your carnal mind drunk on the bitter waters of confusion. For She said To Day - THIS DAY - IF you can hear His voice.

    Joh 2:3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

    Have you requested the New Wine from your Mother - the Holy Spirit?

    Joh 2:5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

    Now consider religion and their false understandings in their religion. The Word does not leave any wanting who can hear.

    Joh 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,

    This is NOT the True Passover - this is religious rites and traditions! Absent any GNOSIS of the Spirit. Do not trust this man or any other man. Trust God. Amen.

    May you enter in This Day and may YOUR Land no longer be Forsaken - may it be Married.

    Isa_62:4 Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.


    That you might Passover from the wilderness of confusion into the Promised Land!

    I cannot stand at the top of the mountain and look down. I am climbing the mountain just like all of us. So please do not place your full trust in my words. I am your fellow servant working in the field - sharing the wealth as it were. Know yourself and trust God - which is to say I AM.





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