Attachment 27221Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
Commentary: Unfortunately, this verse has led idiot men to subjugate and oppress the beauty of woman. See how blind is the man who does not understand the Truth? Jesus did not say that we would learn his real name and then we would speak some sort of magical spell [uttering his name] to be saved. He said ye shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Commentary: Again, we see ignorant men oppressing women. But now at last we are getting a real glimpse at what is being said. The woman is emotion. And emotion is NEVER to rule the mind. Now then consider the citizenry [wife] to the Officers of State [husband]. Before you go back to sleep - consider how do your thoughts serve you and from whence do they come? Were they delivered up to your court [Herod is the Carnal King] so that you might satisfy the woman of your emotion?
Its very interesting to see these kinds of analysis. However, the truth is that women and effeminate men have tended to oppress men rather than the other way around and with or without the apparatus of the State to assist them. Women tend to be ruled by their emotions which is why they were to be kept out of certain positions and many men have suffered on account of failing to exercise wisdom. In my experience I have seen women time and time again deceived by some two-legged serpent who appealed to their emotions so that the two-legged serpent might obtain something to his advantage. Even advertising companies with the help of psychologists target women in commercials due to the same susceptibility that Eve evidenced--they know they cannot move men in the way that they would desire so they target women and children--those who are most susceptible to emotional attack or to suggestion generally. (If you like the idea of having a grumpy old man in your house telling your wife and kids how useless, fat or insufficient they are and how they can make up for it by buying lots of things...buy a television and let them watch it all day.)
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If one looks to the original topic of the thread in the sense of the appropriate chapters of Ezekiel and Isaiah paralleling Adam's fall with the King of Tyre's fall, it might be that what is being said is that Adam rather than being deceived -> rebelled.
(i.e. because you rebelled/disobeyed)Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it.... -Genesis 3:17 in part
The serpent perhaps chose an approach to appeal to both of their emotions. Could it be that the Serpent (a creature that is perhaps highly carnal by nature but yet intelligent) was the two-legged representative of a religion associated with serpent worship? Those who aim to over-abstract things perhaps lack the knowledge that in Egypt and other societies animals were studied for their natures and habits by some who felt it worthy to incorporate such natures into their lives. Forms of martial arts were said to have developed from studying animals such as bears fighting. What of those who incorporate the natures of certain animals into their lives on a higher level and more deeply so?
Could it be that those who insist the verses in Ezekiel or Isaiah to have nothing to do with Adam do so because that kind of idea might tend to support some other belief such as that of the Garden story being merely symbolic, it also causes one to fail to what might have really happened to Adam. Of course, the truth is that men and women as each symbolic of the passive and active aspects of life--it doesn't mean that men and women would necessarily lack existence simply because we can find symbolism. Those who ignore relevant chapters of Isaiah or Ezekiel as having to do with the fall of Adam and showing the echo or parallel such in Babylonian kings might do so because they wish away the whole Bible as being merely symbolic rather than seeing that life itself is full of hints and clues to be learned from.
Why is Ezekiel constantly being called "son of man" or "son of adam" or "son of Adam"? Maybe the lesson being taught to Ezekiel and by or through Ezekiel is one that remind us of what happened to Adam and of the importance of God's grace?
I have done extensive analysis and the story of Adam comes across clearly to be of someone being given a kingdom and losing it--that is plain and clear even in the English. I would say it to be being highly fruitful for anyone read the Song of Hannah and take in the references to 'dust' and God's providence as to kingships or dominion and THEN look at creation of Adam and the grant of dominion to Adam.
What better place to teach principles of life and reaping and sowing than a real garden even of that is just the beginning of a lesson on how your imagination, will, mind, mouth and emotions operate on reality. All of life itself might be a kind of garden.
The heretical Gnostic approach denies and obscures the applicability to reality and to real life of the lessons in the Bible. If you consider 'adam' being a word to refer to man generally what if..somehow the lesson about Adam is a lesson about every man, the man learns of the errors of those before him so that he can see the necessity for God's grace.He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.
Consider:
Abram from among his people and land to even greater royalty as Abraham.
Moses raised into Egyptian royalty.
The saints from sin or darkness to be seated at the right hand of God. [Ephesians 1 and 2]
Nebuch. checked, eating grass, then back to his senses.
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