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    Re: Hearsay
    That something was or is hearsay did or does not invalidate it. If someone gives you a first-hand report it is not hearsay. Its only when you relate second-hand what you have heard first-hand from someone else does it become hearsay.

    Hearsay and Heresy Have Unrelated Linguistic Roots (hear + say != heresy)
    From Grammarphobia.com:

    Hearsay” was first recorded in writing in 1532, and is described by the Oxford English Dictionary as a substitute use of the phrase “to hear say,” which in turn was in use before the year 1000.

    The OED defines “hearsay” this way: “That which one hears or has heard some one say; information received by word of mouth, usually with implication that it is not trustworthy; oral tidings; report, tradition, rumour, common talk, gossip.”

    The roots of the noun, the verbs “hear” and “say,” go back to Old English and have their origins in ancient Germanic sources.

    The noun “heresy,” on the other hand, is from Greek.

    It was borrowed into English, probably before 1200, from the Old French word eresie or heresie, an adaptation of the Latin haeresis, which comes from the Greek hairesis.

    The meaning in the classical languages was broader than in English and referred to a taking, a choosing, a school of thought, a set of philosophical principles.

    The English “heresy” is defined by the OED as “theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the ‘catholic’ or orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox.”
    There is more relationship between 'creator' and 'creditor' than between heresy and hearsay. The English language is not the best language to attempt word cleverness like that.

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    Re: sons of God
    I suppose one who fails to comprehend the relationship between the role of creator and father and created and son would consider someone calling themselves a son of God to be a heresy.

    If the State can have children (parens patrie) then what an error to believe in the living God's inability to father. The idea of denying the possibility of there being any such things as "Sons of God" is to deny God's power to create or to give life. Those who ask for or seek out an impersonal god just might get what they ask for--but they ought not hate on to those who have done otherwise. Perhaps the heretical Gnostics' detesting the physical realm some relates to the Serpent's perspective on being under the curse of feeding on dust and not liking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Re: Hearsay
    That something was or is hearsay did or does not invalidate it.
    If someone gives you a first-hand report it is not hearsay. Its only when you relate second-hand what you have heard first-hand from someone else does it become hearsay.
    in a childlike way.. if I hear someone, anyone say something. it is indeed hear-say. not to be argumentative but thats just what it is. it is first hand hearsay.


    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Hearsay and Heresy Have Unrelated Linguistic Roots (hear + say != heresy)
    From Grammarphobia.com:
    grammarphobia.com LOL I like that! and "gramarphobia" I can relate too. ever hear of moneyphobia? it can happen from trying to follow David Merril's methodology and not being able to completely figure it out.


    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    There is more relationship between 'creator' and 'creditor' than between heresy and hearsay. The English language is not the best language to attempt word cleverness like that.
    phonetically theyre about the same? if there is a better language for word cleverness (I cant even imagine it) what is it?



    synncromatically LOL Im also on this "page" http://www.psyche.com/psyche/qbl/for...rlanguage.html I started a thread and bumped it yesterday with a link to this site. now Im finding I have a keen interest in learning hebrew but that sure seem a mighty lofty goal for me. for now I will keep reading the site in the link. the page I linked is as good as any to get an idea what the site is about but I linked it here due to the synchronicity it shares with your post (seemingly to me anyway) but also MJs following posts but in a different syncron.


    speaking of David though.. where are you man? hope all is well!


    thanks for your input on hearsay allodial, it makes sense too.

    thanks
    Last edited by george; 07-25-15 at 03:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george View Post
    in a childlike way.. if I hear someone, anyone say something. it is indeed hear-say. not to be argumentative but thats just what it is. it is first hand hearsay.
    There are a lot of sites that do word play to the extent of great harm because they don't pay much attention to the etymology only sound alike. Hairspray also sounds like hearsay..kinda. Not to be anal retentive. But instead for sake of keeping with pure truthseeking.

    synncromatically...
    .

    I like that word.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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