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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkin View Post
    One cannot accept a benefit absent an obligation. Thusly to accept the benefit is to also incur the liability.

    This is applicable concerning commercial entities. It does not apply to the people / government trust. The government, it's officers and employees, exist only (in their official capacities) for the benefit of the people which created them (official capacity again) for that very purpose. Your story concerns a king, who had a kingdom. That is a whole different form of government than a republic.
    The republic still exists but the "form of government" appears to be a Democracy. For in a Republic the purpose of that form is to protect the Un-Alien-able rights of man against the Majority. But in a Democracy the Majority rules and the individual is but a minority dissenting opinion absent any political influence. Both exist simultaneously. Which one will win out? In my opinion, that depends on the individual.

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    There is a government for the territories of the United States (established under the Constitution). There were several republics which formed the United States. However, where is the evidence that the U.S. territorial government was ever a republic or that a republican form of government was ever guaranteed to territories of the United States? Maybe that is where RAP and similarly based ideologies fail. How can you restore the "republic" that never was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xparte View Post
    https://youtu.be/Me6Q2o-DtJ0A BELFAST Catholics hate protestant ...
    Could it be that kind of hatred is just the same in the USA as anywhere else rather than being limited to Northern Ireland? In contrast to the IRA's activities, where in history did non-Catholic Christians, Bible-believers, Eastern Orthodox Christians or Protestants ever set out for exterminating Roman Catholics? This is not to take sides, but its just interesting even from an outsider perspective. The IRA was established in 1919, right after WWI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    There is a government for the territories of the United States (established under the Constitution). There were several republics which formed the United States. However, where is the evidence that the U.S. territorial government was ever a republic or that a republican form of government was ever guaranteed to territories of the United States? Maybe that is where RAP and similarly based ideologies fail. How can you restore the "republic" that never was?
    Well that's interesting. But what of the oath that all of the Military takes is that just a sham? ....and to the Republic for which it stands....

    Reminds me of Shrek...and the Onion scene - Layers.
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    Well that's interesting. But what of the oath that all of the Military takes is that just a sham? ....and to the Republic for which it stands....
    There is no such military oath and there never has been. The Pledge of Allegiance has nothing to do with official oaths. There isn't a single mention of the word "republic" in official oaths of the United States.

    "I _____ have, this day, voluntarily enlisted myself, as a soldier, in the American continental army, for one year, unless sooner discharged: And I do bind myself to conform, in all instances, to such rules and regulations, as are, or shall be, established for the government of the said Army." The original wording was effectively replaced by Section 3, Article 1, of the Articles of War approved by Congress on 20 September 1776, which specified that the oath of enlistment read: "I _____ swear (or affirm as the case may be) to be trued to the United States of America, and to serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies opposers whatsoever; and to observe and obey the orders of the Continental Congress, and the orders of the Generals and officers set over me by them." CONTINENTAL ARMY OATH - ENLISTED - JUNE 14, 1775
    "I _____, do acknowledge the Thirteen United States of America, namely, New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, to be free, independent, and sovereign states, and declare, that the people thereof owe no allegiance or obedience to George the third, king of Great Britain; and I renounce, refuse and abjure any allegiance or obedience to him; and I do swear that I will, to the utmost of my power, support, maintain, and defend the said United States against the said king, George the third, and his heirs and successors, and his and their abettors, assistants and adherents; and will serve the said United States in the office of _____, which I now hold, and in any other office which I may hereafter hold by their appointment, or under their authority, with fidelity and honour, and according to the best of my skill and understanding. So help me God." CONTINENTAL ARMY OATH - OFFICERS - OCTOBER 1776
    "I, _____ do acknowledge the United States of America to be free, independent and sovereign states, and declare that the people thereof owe no allegiance or obedience, to George the third, king of Great Britain; and I renounce, refuse and abjure any allegiance or obedience to him: and I do swear (or affirm) that I will, to the utmost of my power, support, maintain and defend the said United States, against the said king George the third and his heirs and successors, and his and their abettors, assistants and adherents, and will serve the said United States in the office of _____ which I now hold, with fidelity, according to the best of my skill and understanding. So help me God. CONTINENTAL ARMY OATH - OFFICERS - REVISED 1778
    <--Treaty of Paris of 1783 past this point, postliminy in effect, cessation of hostilities between the USA and Great Britain. Territories ceded to the Fed by the states. Northwest Ordinance and Constitution - 1787-->

    First part:

    "I, A.B., do solemnly swear or affirm (as the case may be) that I will support the constitution of the United States."

    The second part read:

    "I, A.B., do solemnly swear or affirm (as the case may be) to bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and to serve them {PLURAL!} honestly and faithfully, against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever, and to observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States of America {SINGULAR}, and the orders of the officers appointed over me." The next section of that chapter specified that "the said troops shall be governed by the rules and articles of war, which have been established by the United States in Congress assembled, or by such rules and articles of war as may hereafter by law be established." GENERAL MILITARY OATH 1789 POST-CONSTITUTION
    "I, _____, appointed a _____ in the Army of the United States, do solemnly swear, or affirm, that I will bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and that I will serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever, and observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the rules and articles for the government of the Armies of the United States." ANOTHER MODIFICATION (FOR OFFICERS) 1830
    <--CIVIL WAR -- 1862-->

    "I, A.B., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I have never borne arms against the United States since I have been a citizen thereof; that I have voluntarily given no aid, countenance, counsel, or encouragement to persons engaged in armed hostility thereto; that I have neither sought nor accepted nor attempted to exercise the functions of any office whatsoever under any authority or pretended authority in hostility to the United States; that I have not yielded voluntary support to any pretended government, authority, power, or constitution within the United States, hostile or inimical thereto. And I do further swear (or affirm) that, to the best of my knowledge and ability, I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter, so help me God." MODIFICATION JULY 2, 1862
    Defense of the Constitution of the United States means defense of the unwritten, written and of the structure and makeup thereof.

    I, A.B., do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. MODIFIED MAY 13, 1884
    Again defense of the Constitution, which has a deeper meaning than merely defending the written document.


    "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

    "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.) CURRENT OATH AS OF SEPTEMBER 2015.
    The word republic/Republic fails to appear in any of the official oaths for officers or enlisted men of the United States Army (or for any official oath of the United States). The Organic Laws of the United States of America consists of: the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance and the Constitution for the United States of America. Technically "the Constitution of the United States" is not a document but a term referring to that of which the United States consists --to defend the Constitution of the United States would be to defend the fortitude thereof and thusly to defend, support and uphold the obligation it has to the several states.

    ...the Thirteen United States of America, namely, New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, to be free, independent, and sovereign states.
    Very significant.

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    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

    In its original form it read:

    "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

    "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    Section 4 of the Flag Code states:

    The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.", should be rendered by standing at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. When not in uniform men should remove any non-religious headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should remain silent, face the flag, and render the military salute."
    Note the "Republic" is capitalized. Perhaps its code for the several republics for which it stands? It might be worth noting that by 1892, the Civil War would have started 30 years before.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    There is no such military oath and there never has been. The Pledge of Allegiance has nothing to do with official oaths. There isn't a single mention of the word "republic" in official oaths of the United States.







    <--Treaty of Paris of 1783 past this point, postliminy in effect, cessation of hostilities between the USA and Great Britain. Territories ceded to the Fed by the states. Northwest Ordinance and Constitution - 1787-->





    <--CIVIL WAR -- 1862-->



    Defense of the Constitution of the United States means defense of the unwritten, written and of the structure and makeup thereof.



    Again defense of the Constitution, which has a deeper meaning than merely defending the written document.



    The word republic/Republic fails to appear in any of the official oaths for officers or enlisted men of the United States Army (or for any official oath of the United States). The Organic Laws of the United States of America consists of: the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Northwest Ordinance and the Constitution for the United States of America. Technically "the Constitution of the United States" is not a document but a term referring to that of which the United States consists --to defend the Constitution of the United States would be to defend the fortitude thereof and thusly to defend, support and uphold the obligation it has to the several states.



    Very significant.

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    The Organic Laws of the United States of America
    wow that was a great post allodial! hmmm.. definitely something more to consider and research.

    thanks for putting that together for us.

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    Answer me this: What obligates one to file a 1040 return?

    IMO, a man's own mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpkin View Post
    Answer me this: What obligates one to file a 1040 return?

    IMO, a man's own mind.
    Wonderful. I have to first form a BELIEF. Wonderful return. Thank you. I was wondering how to get here without pages of writing.
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    Inside St Louis County’s Predatory Night Courts

    Ive seen that debated on forums occassionally, but it always seems to peter out since the rules dont support it or mention what to do in any way. In all the time Ive played 40K I have never seen anyone do a morale check for an embarked unit. Have you?

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