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    Why we pay taxes, who has to pay taxes, and redeeming lawful

    The American People Can Close the Fed, Demand United States Notes


    When Congress borrows money on the credit of the United States, bonds are thus legislated into existence and deposited as credit entries in Federal Reserve banks. United States bonds, bills and notes constitute money as affirmed by the Supreme Court (Legal Tender Cases, 110 U.S. 421), and this money when deposited with the Fed becomes collateral from whence the Treasury may write checks against the credit thus created in its account (12 USC 391). For example, suppose Congress appropriates an expenditure of $1 billion.

    To finance the appropriation Congress creates the $1 billion worth of bonds out of thin air and deposits it with the privately owned Federal Reserve System. Upon receiving the bonds, the Fed credits $1 billion to the Treasury's checking account, holding the deposited bonds as collateral. When the United States deposits its bonds with the Federal Reserve System, private credit is extended to the Treasury by the Fed. Under its power to borrow money, Congress is authorized by the Constitution to contract debt, and whenever something is borrowed it must be returned. When Congress spends the contracted private credit, each use of credit is debt which must be returned to the lender or Fed. Since Congress authorizes the expenditure of this private credit, the United States incurs the primary obligation to return the borrowed credit, creating a National Debt which results when credit is not returned.

    However, if anyone else accepts this private credit and uses it to purchase goods and services, the user voluntarily incurs the obligation requiring him to make a return of income whereby a portion of the income is collected by the IRS and delivered to the Federal Reserve banksters.

    Actually the federal income tax imparts two separate obligations: the obligation to file a return and the obligation to abide by the Internal Revenue Code. The obligation to make a return of income for using private credit is recognized in law as an irrecusable obligation, which according to 'Bouvier's Law Dictionary' (1914 ed.), is "a term used to indicate a certain class of contractual obligations recognized by the law which are imposed upon a person without his consent and without regard to any act of his own."

    This is distinguished from a recusable obligation which, according to Bouvier, arises from a voluntary act by which one incurs the obligation imposed by the operation of law. The voluntary use of private credit is the condition precedent which imposes the irrecusable obligation to file a tax return. If private credit is not used or rejected, then the operation of law which imposes the irrecusable obligation lies dormant and cannot apply.

    In 'Brushaber v. Union Pacific RR Co.' 240 U.S. 1 (1916) the Supreme Court affirmed that the federal income tax is in the class of indirect taxes, which include duties and excises. The personal income tax arises from a duty -- i.e., charge or fee -- which is voluntarily incurred and subject to the rule of uniformity. A charge is a duty or obligation, binding upon him who enters into it, which may be removed or taken away by a discharge (performance): 'Bouvier', p. 459.

    Our federal personal income tax is not really a tax in the ordinary sense of the word but rather a burden or obligation which the taxpayer voluntarily assumes, and the burden of the tax falls upon those who voluntarily use private credit. Simply stated the tax imposed is a charge or fee upon the use of private credit where the amount of private credit used measures the pecuniary obligation.

    The personal income tax provision of the Internal Revenue Code is private law rather than public law. "A private law is one which is confined to particular individuals, associations, or corporations": 50 Am.Jur. 12, p.28. In the instant case the revenue code pertains to taxpayers. A private law can be enforced by a court of competent jurisdiction when statutes for its enforcement are enacted: 20 Am.Jur. 33, pgs. 58, 59.

    The distinction between public and private acts is not always sharply defined when published statutes are printed in their final form: Case v. Kelly, 133 U.S. 21 (1890). Statutes creating corporations are private acts: 20 Am.Jur. 35, p. 60. In this connection, the Federal Reserve Act is private law. Federal Reserve banks derive their existence and corporate power from the Federal Reserve Act: Armano v. Federal Reserve Bank, 468 F.Supp. 674 (1979).

    A private act may be published as a public law when the general public is afforded the opportunity of participating in the operation of the private law. The Internal Revenue Code is an example of private law which does not exclude the voluntary participation of the general public. Had the Internal Revenue Code been written as substantive public law, the code would be repugnant to the Constitution, since no one could be compelled to file a return and thereby become a witness against himself.

    Under the fifty titles listed on the preface page of the United States Code, the Internal Revenue Code (26 USC) is listed as having not been enacted as substantive public law, conceding that the Internal Revenue Code is private law. Bouvier declares that private law "relates to private matters which do not concern the public at large."

    It is the VOLUNTARY use of private credit which imposes upon the user the quasi contractual or implied obligation to make a return of income. In 'Pollock v. Farmer's Loan & Trust Co.' 158 U.S. 601 (1895) the Supreme Court had declared the income tax of 1894 to be repugnant to the Constitution, holding that taxation of rents, wages and salaries must conform to the rule of apportionment.

    However, when this decision was rendered, there was no privately owned central bank issuing private credit and currency but rather public money in the form of legal tender notes and coins of the United States circulated. Public money is the lawful money of the United States which the Constitution authorizes Congress to issue, conferring a property right, whereas the private credit issued by the Fed is neither money nor property, permitting the user an equitable interest but denying Allodial title.

    Today, we have two competing monetary systems. The Federal Reserve System with its private credit and currency, and the public money system consisting of legal tender United States notes and coins.
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    One could use the public money system, paying all bills with coins and United States notes (if the notes can be obtained), or one could voluntarily use the private credit system and thereby incur the obligation to make a return of income. Under 26 USC 7609 the IRS has carte blanche authority to summon and investigate bank records for the purpose of determining tax liabilities or discovering unknown taxpayers: 'United States v. Berg' 636 F.2d 203 (1980).

    If an investigation of bank records discloses an excess of $1000 in deposits in a single year, the IRS may accept this as prima facie evidence that the account holder uses private credit and is therefore a person obligated to make a return of income. Anyone who uses private credit -- e.g., bank accounts, credit cards, mortgages, etc. -- voluntarily plugs himself into the system and obligates himself to file. A taxpayer is allowed to claim a $1000 personal deduction when filing his return. The average taxpayer in the course of a year uses United States coins in vending machines, parking meters, small change, etc., and this public money must be deducted when computing the charge for using private credit.

    On June 5, 1933, the day of infamy arrived. Congress on that date enacted House Joint Resolution 192, which provided that the people convert or turn in their gold coins in exchange for Federal Reserve notes. Through the operation of law, H.J.R. 192 took us off the gold standard and placed us on the dollar standard where the dollar could be manipulated by private interests for their self-serving benefit. By this single act the people and their wealth were delivered to the banksters. When gold coinage was thus pulled out of circulation, large denomination Federal Reserve notes were issued to fill the void. As a consequence the public money supply in circulation was greatly diminished, and the debt-laden private credit of the Fed gained supremacy.

    This action made private individuals who had been previously exempt from federal income taxes now liable for them, since the general public began consuming and using large amounts of private credit. Notice all the case law prior to 1933 which affirms that income is a profit or gain which arises from a government granted privilege. After 1933, however, the case law no longer emphatically declares that income is exclusively corporate profit or that it arises from a privilege. So, what changed? Two years after H.J.R. 192, Congress passed the Social Security Act, which the Supreme Court upheld as a valid act imposing a valid income tax: 'Charles C. Steward Mach. Co. v, Davis' 301 U.S. 548 (1937).

    source: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/convincing.html
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    All this and neither one of those monetary system are yours, if you did not print it you are using someone else's money to buy things and not returning the receipts therefore the tax man will continue to come after you. We can skirt Income taxes and some other taxes with Public Money, but still it is not our money. Courts are not our laws either, unless you formed a committee to help create a law, it is not your law, but we keep making the mistake of interfering in it. The documents you used to get that bank account you deposit that money in is not yours either, all you can really do is make a stand on right of possession and use of the equity in which were created by your energy in exchange for depositing the receipts to treasury.

    You want to rebuild the Republic then lets build it, you cannot build it if you keep taking everything out of it.

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    Can't anyone post a thread on this site without you trolling it.

    Trolling= fishing for new prospects. Start your own forum. Your religious mumbo jumbo is getting tiresome.

    I use things that others have made every day. So what. And so do you. You have this weird fixation on money, get over it. fB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick Burrell View Post
    Can't anyone post a thread on this site without you trolling it.

    Trolling= fishing for new prospects. Start your own forum. Your religious mumbo jumbo is getting tiresome.

    I use things that others have made every day. So what. And so do you. You have this weird fixation on money, get over it. fB
    I am beginning to think Bean (from SJC) found us here. These mythologies, they are just too common to pin on one internet pundit though.


    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    All this and neither one of those monetary system are yours, if you did not print it you are using someone else's money to buy things and not returning the receipts therefore the tax man will continue to come after you. We can skirt Income taxes and some other taxes with Public Money, but still it is not our money. Courts are not our laws either, unless you formed a committee to help create a law, it is not your law, but we keep making the mistake of interfering in it. The documents you used to get that bank account you deposit that money in is not yours either, all you can really do is make a stand on right of possession and use of the equity in which were created by your energy in exchange for depositing the receipts to treasury.

    You want to rebuild the Republic then lets build it, you cannot build it if you keep taking everything out of it.
    The comment about why I would ever want to buy Taco Bell food - as an excuse to avoid admitting that he cannot with his specie-based currency proposals; that has me 90% convinced we have Bean under a different nomen.

    fB;

    What I think that I can do is convince you that Motla68 is worthwhile, at least for now, because I have a complete disk of source documentation to refute whatever he presents and in doing so, we are a cut above any other reading on the WWW!

    All this and neither one of those monetary system are yours, if you did not print it you are using someone else's money to buy things and not returning the receipts therefore the tax man will continue to come after you.

    That, from other posts can easily be discerned as an indirect description of fiat currency. Bean, er, Motla68 is explaining that our currency is based directly in precious metals. [Btw; the NY tax man came after this suitor to give him his Withholdings and a $125 school tax credit!] He says in other words, that the currency of 1863-64, Greenbacks and US Notes are not our currency! This fiat currency is the direct obligations of the US and never to be used as a reserve currency. I lay claim to that government (sovereignty) even if Motla68 will not - more for me that way! Page 1, Page 2, Page 3. [Note especially my blatant use of the Great Seal in my Signature, alongside my thumbprint.]

    To cut right to the quick here. That is to say, turn Motla68's trolling into entertainment, the fiat started here (attachments). Directly to the north of that little cabin, on this Golden Spiral/Rectangle, we find the capital for Colorado, in that sense (there were actually three capitals according to the history books in the Mason Library - attached).

    Colorado set the precedent. The first Secretary for the Territory was Lewis Ledyard WELD, Weld County is the largest county in Colorado still. His code name in the Masons was Lucias as in lightbearer - illuminati and he brought from his family crest, the Colorado State Seal and Great Seal of Authority that you find me utilizing as statesman today. It bears the same emanations from the penumbra found on the backside of the dollar bill - the eye in the triangle with light coming off it?

    So bear with this troll. I have some sway with Admin and I have put out a word of honor, that unless absolutely necessary; short of profane rants and porn, nobody will be banished from StSC. I feel that Motla68 has been indicted for fraud here, pursuading readers that his Coresource Solution can pay for a new roof if you utilize the Treasury as a purse. He can show us convincing documentation of that and be released from that self-indictment any time. Rather he tries to allure people away to go look at convincing arguments and even evidence I presume...

    Point being that this post took some time to write and therefore speaking for myself I am not going to go somewhere else looking for what Motla68 could be showing us here. I have provided a great example post right here for you Motla68! You want to convince us of things? Just follow this post as an example. I have shown some pretty damn extraordinary aspects of history - little known esoterics and if anybody challenges the validity of this post and its attachments, links and assertions I welcome that because I have plenty more on disk to dive into; all of which is as fascinating and moreso.



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    Frederick, that appears to be part of the 1984 Freedom League article. You may want to provide source/attribution (just who wrote that anyway?).

    PS. I pay no income tax, I'm paid lawful money.
    Last edited by stoneFree; 04-03-11 at 10:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoneFree View Post
    Frederick, that appears to be part of the 1984 Freedom League article. You may want to provide source/attribution (just who wrote that anyway?).

    PS. I pay no income tax, I'm paid lawful money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoneFree View Post
    Frederick, that appears to be part of the 1984 Freedom League article. You may want to provide source/attribution (just who wrote that anyway?).

    PS. I pay no income tax, I'm paid lawful money.
    Thank you for the info on the source for this article. I found it on another forum and thought it fit well with the suitors concepts of redeeming lawful money. No source was listed or linked.
    Last edited by Frederick Burrell; 04-04-11 at 05:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I am beginning to think Bean (from SJC) found us here. These mythologies, they are just too common to pin on one internet pundit though.




    The comment about why I would ever want to buy Taco Bell food - as an excuse to avoid admitting that he cannot with his specie-based currency proposals; that has me 90% convinced we have Bean under a different nomen.

    fB;

    What I think that I can do is convince you that Motla68 is worthwhile, at least for now, because I have a complete disk of source documentation to refute whatever he presents and in doing so, we are a cut above any other reading on the WWW!
    No i don't think so.....THAT would mean Mikey knows bean! mot has mentioned that it was Mike Joe who brought him over here. i have not seen MJ deny this.
    While bean's language and character did change quite a bit - and i am not the only one that thought bean was more than one person - his english was never nearly as broken as mot's, and he never quoted the bible. bean seemed to eschew bible stuff, where mot is more like his own private pope.
    The taco bell remark could be explained by mot's admission to having been a member of SJC; hmmm, but he can't remember what his handle was - said "it's been so long now."
    Ya, righhht.
    Do notice that mot and MJ do not clash.
    They are arguably a tag team here.
    They both seem to argue from the same premises.
    They have similar scriptural paradigms.
    Watch how you cut mot, you may slice MJ too.
    Last edited by doug-again; 04-04-11 at 08:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug-again View Post
    No i don't think so.....THAT would mean Mikey knows bean! mot has mentioned that it was Mike Joe who brought him over here. i have not seen MJ deny this.
    While bean's language and character did change quite a bit - and i am not the only one that thought bean was more than one person - his english was never nearly as broken as mot's, and he never quoted the bible. bean seemed to eschew bible stuff, where mot is more like his own private pope.
    The taco bell remark could be explained by mot's admission to having been a member of SJC; hmmm, but he can't remember what his handle was - said "it's been so long now."
    Ya, righhht.
    Do notice that mot and MJ do not clash.
    They are arguably a tag team here.
    They both seem to argue from the same premises.
    They have similar scriptural paradigms.
    Watch how you cut mot, you may slice MJ too.
    This whole conversation is quite comical, FBI man still trying to profile me and look up my background rather then being so productive as to let a man correct his mistakes.
    This is true that I am not a well spoken man through audible means, this is why I prayed for someone who could come and help out some on at least monthly basis and
    then came Onlashuk who said he made the decision to move to the this local area here and then 2 weeks later he heard of our local group, he has been a big help, he is
    a bit uncomfortable at times getting up in front of everyone for lack of confidence but I keep trying to convince him that if I can do it he can definitely do it.
    To be said of one having broken english and then be called a pope, not sure what to think of that one other then it sound like a bit of an oxymoron.
    I challenge any of you to eat all Organic food locally grown, grass fed beef, unpasturized raw goat milk for even 2 weeks then go eat at taco bell and see if your taste has changed any?
    I was on SJC for a very short period a very long at all so how could I remember?
    You may not see it now but MJ and I have had our fare share of debating, snorting, scoffing, grittin teeth and walking away not talking to each other for about a month especially when I first introduced him to what we are doing, but eventually he found his own way and had a success of his own not ever showing ID for him or his family when a whole police department practically showed up at his door, after that we started to slowly come to a meeting of the minds.

    Thanks for the mostly diplomatic response Doug, quite the entertainment for the day.

    Peace be upon you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doug-again View Post
    No i don't think so.....THAT would mean Mikey knows bean! mot has mentioned that it was Mike Joe who brought him over here. i have not seen MJ deny this.
    While bean's language and character did change quite a bit - and i am not the only one that thought bean was more than one person - his english was never nearly as broken as mot's, and he never quoted the bible. bean seemed to eschew bible stuff, where mot is more like his own private pope.
    The taco bell remark could be explained by mot's admission to having been a member of SJC; hmmm, but he can't remember what his handle was - said "it's been so long now."
    Ya, righhht.
    Do notice that mot and MJ do not clash.
    They are arguably a tag team here.
    They both seem to argue from the same premises.
    They have similar scriptural paradigms.
    Watch how you cut mot, you may slice MJ too.
    I have thought how to respond to this presentment.....
    Last edited by Michael Joseph; 04-05-11 at 03:41 AM.
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