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    Massachusetts Passports (1857 Law)

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    Below is a scan of Massachusetts passport from 1831.

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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    A little filler from what I can recall, passports are wartime implements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shikamaru View Post
    A little filler from what I can recall, passports are wartime implements.
    Pretty much. Since WWII there have been 'standing wars'. Since Civil War, there have been US implements for 'prosecution of war'. Imagine, because someone else had a fight 'you' get the have the burden of proving that you are or aren't involved.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Very interesting, allodial! Anyone know if this Act was ever expressly repealed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro View Post
    Very interesting, allodial! Anyone know if this Act was ever expressly repealed?
    I am unaware of it being repealed. As I mentioned, diplomatic credentials were handed out by states in the 80s until the Office of Foreign Missions was established. AFAIK, that didn't necessarily mean the states couldn't do it anymore just that the OFM started doing it so they didn't have to.

    Consider the significance that all U.S.A. Secretaries of State issue Apostilles rather than one. Apostilles are diplomatic in nature.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    I am unaware of it being repealed.
    If that's the case, it would serve as very strong evidence that there are at least two citizenships available for the purposes of a passport -- U.S. citizen and State Citizen. It would also imply there is a choice between the two, and the choice made is voluntarily.

    It would be fantastic to find out for sure if it's been repealed, and if not, find each State's equivalent and start making passport requests at the State level!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro View Post
    If that's the case, it would serve as very strong evidence that there are at least two citizenships available for the purposes of a passport -- U.S. citizen and State Citizen. It would also imply there is a choice between the two, and the choice made is voluntarily.

    It would be fantastic to find out for sure if it's been repealed, and if not, find each State's equivalent and start making passport requests at the State level!
    There is plenty of case history. Citizenship with respect to a state still exists to this day. Distinct from citizenship is nationality. And yes one can volunteer into U.S. citizenship--a Citizen of one of the several states can volunteer into the U.S. Army for example.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    This is from a The Miller and Simmons Families: Genealogy and History Documents, Volume 1:

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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Abstract from a Mississippi Territorial passport of 1802:

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    Source: Mississippi Territorial Archives 1798-1803 - Executive Journals of Governor Winthrop Sargent and Governor Williams Charles Cole Clairborne
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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