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    That he survived the cross through subsequent death, resurrection and ascension into heaven is the Bible story. The victory over death is key as was afforded by faith in the remedy provided in the wilderness ala the brazen serpent--victory over death. The notion of ascension is also alluded to per Elijah and Enoch (who were taken up rather than having ascended of their own) thusly is not an invention of the NT.

    The impression I get is that heretical Gnostics have set out to force their ideas of the material world being profane, thusly they could not accept that God or any divine being would have much to do with it. So they rendered the crucifixion event in a way that suited their philosophies: thusly him not dying and escaping the cross.

    5 And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up, and saw him, and said unto him, Zacchaeus, make haste, and come down; for to day I must abide at thy house.

    6 And he made haste, and came down, and received him joyfully.

    7 And when they saw it, they all murmured, saying, That he was gone to be guest with a man that is a sinner.

    8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord; Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

    9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

    10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

    11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

    12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.

    13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

    14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.

    15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.

    16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.

    17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.

    18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.

    19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.

    20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:

    21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.

    22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:

    23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?

    24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.

    25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)

    26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

    27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
    To knowledge, some relate the foregoing to Archelaus. However, it parallels with what is explained at Ephesians 1 and 2 and what is said about the kingdom coming not with observation. That is, the reason for the parable is given in the text: because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

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    The link to the currency being set right is quite interesting as to perspective. Wisdom might have just or equitable weights and balances put in place even in the secular. However, I always got the impression that the talents were referring to spiritual gifts (wisdom, etc.) and to faith partly because the attitude toward the one servant ties into: "faith without works is dead".

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