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    The act is murder. The emotion is guilt. The guilt is what causes a sense of separation from God. Separation from God is an emotion. That is sin. If you accept that you are born into sin, then you live with guilt.

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    Godless acts i get my emotions from God we share the guilt not the sin ownership is the deal breaker I agree with Separation one is the act and its inheritance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    The act is murder. The emotion is guilt. The guilt is what causes a sense of separation from God. Separation from God is an emotion. That is sin. If you accept that you are born into sin, then you live with guilt.
    Man is the Mind - Woman is the Emotion.

    Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

    Pro 4:8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.

    Be thou equally yoked - and don't plow the field with another man's heifer. Consider that last one for a minute or two before proceeding. Isn't this religion in its current practice. Come to the pew, sit down and let "us" tell you what to think. Is this not plowing in the field [world] with another man's heifer?

    Pro 4:13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

    Take every thought captive and kill those that do not serve - for Armageddon happens in the Mind. Notice there was no man to be found with the woman caught in Adultery? Nevertheless many externalize the story and look for a physical reality - and it is to that end that they create their own prisons. Yet Abraham was considered worthy for he would command all in his house. Become the warrior priest - the true Joshua. For Christ must be formed in you!

    The Valley of the Kings - is synonymous with the valley of Megiddo. The place of decision or the place called Jezreel - for I will sow and I will reap.

    As long as the house remains divided in sin, then the man/woman remains in duality. But Jesus said let them be one as we are one. Nevertheless emotions will cause one to look back - only to be "preserved" in salt for the time when one comes back down the mountain. For we are told there comes a time when we are instructed to flee to the "mountains".

    But what if I live in the valley? Perhaps, just perhaps, it is the metaphysical "mountain" - for yea though I walk thru the "VALLEY" of the shadow of death.....emotions unchecked can rule the house - for the woman is never to rule the man - the Mind should rule Emotion.

    Abraham commanded his servants and his asses to remain in the valley....for carnality and emotion cannot ascend into the Mountain. Nevertheless in true marriage the two become one [Mind and Emotion are united]. Thus will can be birthed in Love.

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    Being mind full MJ the church is the mistress of guilt or the other woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xparte View Post
    Being mind full MJ the church is the mistress of guilt or the other woman.
    Gospel of Thomas verse 48 and 106
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    interesting video, mentions Helen of Judea as Jesus's mother:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWKopQB7nj8

    these guys seem as close to truth as anybody else if not moreso IMO

    David, you seem to be familiar with google stuff.. can you tell me if these two google books are freely available to read in english? they seem to be very good reading that a GLP member linked to.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=Ooo...ngship&f=false

    https://books.google.de/books?id=Y4I...NTABLE&f=false

    I cant find them elsewhere, anyone?

    thanks

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    george, this is a book I meant to link to earlier: The Ancient Egyptian Language: An Historical Study.

    Quote Originally Posted by george View Post
    interesting video, mentions Helen of Judea as Jesus's mother:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWKopQB7nj8

    these guys seem as close to truth as anybody else if not moreso IMO

    David, you seem to be familiar with google stuff.. can you tell me if these two google books are freely available to read in english? they seem to be very good reading that a GLP member linked to.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=Ooo...ngship&f=false

    https://books.google.de/books?id=Y4I...NTABLE&f=false

    I cant find them elsewhere, anyone?

    thanks
    "Empire Strikes Again" all of the alleged 'debunking of Jesus' was foretold around 2,000 years ago. Those who reject the grace of New Adam and their adherence to the fallen Edom-ic/Adam-ic is allowed to come to finalization. Many 'debunkers' might be debunking ideas born out of syncretism rather than debunking the truth such as attempts to superimpose Zeus onto Y'shua/Jesus. Perhaps they are so blind in their interest in secular power and money that they cannot see that pure doctrines aren't about establishing Jesus setting out to establish secular kingdoms. However, there is much significance in preemptive authority in the spiritual and how such authority can affect the physical.

    Those with an innate hatred of Jesus and of even life itself aren't likely going to write books with much any truth. There is a book titled Forged, it has the appearance of being insightful but like many books similar to that, so much propaganda and drivel posing as academics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xparte View Post
    Being mind full MJ the church is the mistress of guilt or the other woman.
    It is easy to construe two churches - the 501(c)(3) "church" and the 508(c)(1)(A) Mandatory Exception, outside the IRS Code.


    Quote Originally Posted by george View Post
    interesting video, mentions Helen of Judea as Jesus's mother:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWKopQB7nj8

    these guys seem as close to truth as anybody else if not moreso IMO

    David, you seem to be familiar with google stuff.. can you tell me if these two google books are freely available to read in english? they seem to be very good reading that a GLP member linked to.

    https://books.google.de/books?id=Ooo...ngship&f=false

    https://books.google.de/books?id=Y4I...NTABLE&f=false

    I cant find them elsewhere, anyone?

    thanks

    It seems agreeable with the Jesus Family Tomb. That indicates the only "Mary" being Jesus' wife, who is unrelated by blood to Jesus. The word search you linked is interesting - are those who legislate above the law?

    I think not. It would seem that during Rectification of Judiciary - where the oaths of office are faulty intentionally; breach of trust that I might seem above the law as Trustee for the Resulting Trust. However I am casting that illusion I am above the law by being bound to it while rectifying the judiciary; bringing the imposter/actors back into Rules of Court.

    As my Legend becomes Fable Hallucination, Myth and Parable are likewise Illusion.
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    James Cameron, 33rd Freemason. Not sure if I can in good faith and confidence presume him to be anything other than extremely biased when it comes to religion. Nothing against Freemasons, just I don't expect him to be specifically un-biased especially these days.

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    Isn't this the kind of thing Albert Pike and company said they would do as far as undermining established law and government so they could establish what they want to establish? If the Protocols were a forgery I wonder who might have done such a thing....

    James Cameron, a movie director, a special effects master, a proven specialist at making billions to accept as real that which is purely make-believe. What comes to mind is that of the most fastidious, sinister and disgusting liars I ever, ever met was a film editor. He had a way of taking bits and pieces from different people and events to 'prove his lies' in order to cover his own misdeeds and for slandering others. It took me a bit to crack the case, but I realized that is exactly what he was doing: convincing people of his lies by linking unrelated things together in a mish-mosh of trickery. For example, one of the many twisted things he was into: he was sleeping around with a man's wife. So what did he do, he 'scripted a fallacy'. She was afraid of being found out. He was terrified. So he convinced her to work with him to make the husband think the someone she would be sleeping with would be the one who actually knew what was going on and someone who the husband was quite afraid to cross but was good friends with. Basically to divert attention away from him. This upset me because her husband is quite a decent fellow--that they would add insult to injury through more trickery.

    What did he do? Of course he spent a over a year dropping lies and linking together these fallacies with 'proof' which were unrelated. When they were out to blame came around a restaurant, instead of just a friendly hug, the editor-liar had her kiss him on the mouth. It happened multiple times on separate spaced out occasions (the interesting key is that it never happened with the Film Editor wasn't around). Of course, when you're hugging someone its not like you expect them to kiss you on the mouth and you're not in much of a position to stave it off--even if its on the corner. Eventually, I realized she only did this when the liar-editor was present: it served as a cover for the both of them. But after a bit of time, I put everything together and it clicked--not only is the guy a psychopath, he was using his film editing skills in 'reality' to create false appearances. He even would record people talking and then create remixes to leave impressions that were far from reality--his main objective was to slander those who had dirt on him or those who he envied or those men who weren't homosexual that he wished were or to simply create false appearances. He would even create lies to win the trust and faith of others who felt he had helped them. But the thing is, he dupes everyone and anyone he can--it is a game to him.

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    The idea of the resurrection emerged very early in Christianity -- almost immediately after Jesus' death. This would, in theory, explain the Jonah image (if it were such) on the tomb next door.

    But this presents a logical dilemma: We would have a tomb containing Jesus' ossuary -- his bones -- coexisting, temporally and physically, with the belief that his bones shouldn't be in there. And we would have to believe that a year after Jesus died and was supposedly resurrected, his followers went and reburied his decomposed corpse in an ossuary.

    What's more, all of the other people from Jesus' family, all those other names on the ossuaries in the Talpiot Tomb, would have been buried there after Jesus, presumably years later.

    In other words, early Christians, believing that Jesus was the resurrected son of God, were entering his burial chamber to deposit the bones of his relatives, and no one ever mentioned the place, turned it into a pilgrimage site or marked it for other Jesus followers.

    Considering how dangerous the existence of Jesus' burial site -- and bones -- would be for traditional Christian belief, even very early on, we might be surprised that no one, in the years that they must have been returning to the tomb to bury everyone else, didn't think to destroy the best evidence that their central claim was a lie.

    The media attention around this story is easy enough to explain: Jesus is hot right now, and this would be a blockbuster if it were true. Unfortunately, the evidence is faulty, and the story doesn't make sense. Source: CNN article.
    In ~2,000 years, no one thought to write about this tomb until now? Hmmmmm. Perhaps the Dragon is hungry and Cameron and Jacobovichi are steering as many as they can into its mouth?

    I'm not even a Christian, but I did live in the neighborhood where this cave was found, and I've spent most of the last ten years spelunking in far more important caves, from Jerusalem to Baghdad, looking at the relationship between the Bible and archaeology. Here's why they're wrong.

    1. Caves like the ones where the ossuaries were discovered are commonplace in the area and were very familiar features of this neighborhood in the 1st century B.C.E. and C.E. The archaeologist who traveled with me for WALKING THE BIBLE and WHERE GOD WAS BORN, Avner Goren, made the fascinating point to me today that bodies used to be buried in groups but with the introduction of individualism from Greece, they started burying people in single boxes and labeling them. Basically, the bodies would be buried for a year, the family would come back and collect the bones and put them in an ossuary (a stone box). Then they would take the box out once a year and have a memorial service, as Jews still do today with candle lighting.

    2. A family from Nazareth would not be buried in Jerusalem. Jewish custom holds that a body should be buried within 24 hours. I recently heard of a family that hired a private plane to get a body from Cleveland to Jerusalem in time. It would have been impossible to get a body from Nazareth, in the Galilee, to Jerusalem in this time period. Also, there's no way for a family to tend a grave this far away. So the idea of a multi-generational family tomb for Jesus in Jerusalem makes no sense. Even the archaeologist who discovered the cave originally, Amos Kloner, has dismissed the show as "nonsense."

    3. The names on the ossuaries are very common. As Avner pointed out, 21 percent of names of women are Mary; Joseph and Jesus (Joshua) are among the top four male names. The presence of these names in a tomb would not have been rare. The name Jesus has been found in dozens of tombs over the years. Further, we have no evidence that this is a family tomb; it could have been a communal tomb, or a neighborhood tomb."There is no likelihood that Jesus and his relatives had a family tomb," Kloner said. "They were a Galilee family with no ties in Jerusalem. The tomb belonged to a middle-class family from the 1st century CE."

    4. The DNA evidence that Jesus was not connected to the Mary buried in the tomb does not prove anything, other than they are not related matrilnearly. For all we know, they could have been related patrilinearly. Or, they could never have met. There is no evidence the female body belonged to someone who was "married" to anyone else in the tomb. There is no evidence she was the mother of anyone else in the tomb. And we can be sure they checked that! So the claim that Jesus fathered a son with the "Mary" in the tomb is bogus. Source: The Jesus Hoax
    As pertains to Zechariah, they want the right hand, so perhaps the left hand is what they will get.

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    So begs the question is why would someone defend Jesus when his lack of existence would possibly open them up to freedom to do whatever they want: kill, steal, lie, etc. They could become a Muslim and have 4 wives EVEN IN THE USA (although polygyny isn't necessarily against the Bible)! Its because when you know the truth, you know better. You know what is more precious and more valuable than all of the money, guns, armies and land in the whole world.
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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