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    Worldly wisdom is not what was being promoted in the book of Proverbs. There is a major distinction between worldly wisdom and divine wisdom. The serpent crawling on the ground like a reptile was obviously 'down low' rather than up high.

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    And the lord commended the unrighteous steward that he did prudently, because the sons of this age are more prudent than the sons of the light, in respect to their generation. Luke 16:8
    "And his master praised the unrighteous manager because he had acted shrewdly; for the sons of this age are more shrewd in relation to their own kind than the sons of light. Luke 16:8
    At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
    Just because the babes were babes before reception of the Divine Wisdom doesn't mean they remained unwise after reception. To be wise in the worldly since without Godly wisdom does not necessarily rule out blindness. The Pharisees were called a brood of vipers, no? Perhaps they were wise and shrewd in the worldly sense. Clearly Jesus did not regard them to be wise in the Divine sense.

    Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains." John 9:41
    "Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber." John 10:1 (follows immediately in sequence)
    They were so 'wise' (in the wrong way--the serpent/reptile/worldly way?) that they could not see and did not realize that they could not see. I have met many folks like that who wreak destruction wheresoever they go, and they cannot see that they cannot see, they do not realize that they cannot feel as others do because they in their sin have become insensitive to the abhorrence thereof.

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18
    Also, FYI "babes" can mean those who were pure of heart, innocent and free of the guile of the world rather they be 7 or 77 years of age.

    Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. James 3:13
    Remember, MJ, the cherubim were part of the temple, too. The word cherubim is somewhat similar to the word 'curb'. A curb keeps you from hurting yourself or hurting others. Cherubim might partially serve a similar function.

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    James 3:13-18 (Earthly Wisdom vs Godly Wisdom)
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
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    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    There are many outworkings of God and they may be in the spirit, mind or soul, or in the physical body realm. Because we understand one, it does not mean that we should deny the others. In that dark night of the soul at Peniel Jacob had to wrestle with the heaven of his thoughts - the realm of the soul. The heaven that he was in, with its thoughts and
    limitations, had to be replaced with a new heaven so that he could begin to ascend the the rungs of the ladder to the higher heavens.

    We can see clearly from the scriptures in the book of Peter that the old elements of faulty thinking which resulted in our fall from the heavens must be dissolved by fire so that we, like the prodigal son, can ascend our way back to the higher heavens of Father's house. And no matter if the older brother might be jealous, our Father will handle that too.

    II PET 3:13 Nevertheless,we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

    I love the song by FLEETWOOD MAC that says "Can the child within my heart rise above".... beautiful lyric.

    Ester was really put in a box. The law said that if she went into the inner court without being called, she could be put to death. However, the word came that unless she fulfilled the destiny to which she was called, God would get someone else to do it and she would not escape persecution and / or possibly death. She had to find a way out of that paradigm and she did so by fulfilling her destiny.

    And when she expanded her heavens, she was rewarded by salvation coming to her people. Also, she found that the rules of the inner court were different than the outer court. No longer was she merely like a piece of property, but her husband extended to her a gracious offer - half the kingdom.

    Consider the paradigm shift in Joseph from Law to Grace.

    LUK 1:38 And Mary said,Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

    MAT 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they
    came together, she was found to be with child of the Holy Ghost.

    MAT 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make a publick example, was minded to put her away privily

    Poor Joseph was really in a box. Here he was about to come together with his new bride and - of all things - she was pregnant. And he knew it was not by him. The LAW under which he lived demanded that she be stoned. In effect, if he had followed through with that, Jesus, within Mary, would have been stoned. But Joseph was a man prepared by God for his role, and he was merciful and was minded to put Mary away privily so that she was not shamed and humiliated. He, in effect, went from the paradigm of LAW to GRACE.

    But God had something else in mind, He wanted Joseph to go upward two paradigms. He wanted Joseph not only to extend GRACE to Mary but LOVE.

    In the beginning, upon the top of the mountain, there was a pool of clear, cold water called the Virgin's spring. (Isaiah 7:3) Around it was the fuller's field or field of transfiguration. The church that drank of the sparkling clear, cool water was the Church of the Firstborn of the Most High (El Elyon) [Hebrews 12:22 - 24 & Psalm 87: & 82:6].

    And then a great tragedy ocurred and some fell from the plateau at the top of the mountain to a lower plain. They could not find their way back up to the mountain top which became shrouded by a mist. [Ref Book of Adam and Eve] They could only look (Dan 4:17) thru the mist darkly to the top of the mountain. The water that flowed down from the mountain top was damned up and was called the lower pool (Isaiah 22:9 -11).

    While this water refreshed, some complained that those shepherds responsible for it had fouled the waters with their feet and the waters were stagnant. (Ezekiel 34:18). After a while, this (See Thru a Glass Darkly) group set up its own government because it was too difficult to communicate with the top of the mountain where the virgin spring flowed and the Sun of transfiguration was always shining in the fuller's field.

    Some fell even further down the mountain where the water from the upper pool and even the lower pool no longer reached them. They remembered the refreshing flow from the spring of the Spirit, but since they had no water, they wrote about it in letters. This place became known as the land of the LAW.

    And in a land below the LAW was a desert area called the LAWLESS. In the fall from a heaven, our paradigm shrunk and we were limited by the faulty thinking. To reascend the mountain of God, we must expand our paradigm and do away with the faulty thinking that caused the fall in the first place. And this we will do IF the Lord permits.

    ROM 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

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    allodial, concerning the Cheribim, I agree. They were placed so that carnal mind might not "eat" of the tree of life. And, as you say, bring hurt.
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    But when you are discussing within the framework of a specific covenant, it is within that framework plain and simple. When you speak outside of that covenant, then another matter. The narrow path is not wide. Who goes around telling the Chinese people how to run their society? Or the witches or sorcerers how to run their covens/convents (the terms are synonymous)? So what place do self-proclaimed outsiders have telling Israel, Judah how to run their society save for the author and finisher of Our faith who isn't a missing person needing a stand-in AFAIK? Jesus clearly was not an outsider.

    The covenant with Cain is clearly different from the covenant with David, Abraham or Israel. The implied covenant with the Serpent was that he would feast on the dust of the earth. So it really depends on the covenantal framework. If A and O is on a narrow-path covenant, and B, C, D, E and F are on a wide-path covenants then B through F are strangers to the covenant of A and O. Point is lots of Wiccans, Freemasons--at least some but not all that I've met, Serpent Worshippers and Self Worshippers and such seem to spend an awful lot of time telling other people how to live their lives. The most conservative Bible-centric congregations (from Presbyterian to Pentecostal) I've come across nary who promoted hatred for anyone simply prayer for others and love of all. But I've not found the same among Freemasons, Wiccans, etc. There's a lot of projection fomented against the true bible believers and part of that meted out by false impersonation.

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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Upper and lower Egypt. if Egypt's literature is a luxury her fiction is necessity only to her. Great bible truths and wisdom often are forgotten but can never be falsified. Man never stops explaining his success, Only the intelligent truth is trying to explain our failure.Ones life is distinguish between a tax and a fine, Jumping ahead The Romans were quite willing to admit that Christ was a God. But denied He was the God – the highest truth of the cosmos. Can the new testament be that highest truth. the books of the Old Testament have a quite perceptible unity. . .God is properly the only character in the Old Testament. Compared with His clearness of purpose, all the other wills are heavy and automatic, like those of animals; compared with His actuality, all the sons of flesh are shadows.All the patriarchs and prophets are merely His tools or weapons; for the Lord is a man of war.He uses Joshua like an axe or Moses like a measuring rod. For Him, Samson, is only a sword and Isaiah a trumpet. It is He that sits above the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers The Old Testament is so intent upon asserting the personality of God that it almost asserts the impersonality of man.A cosmic philosophy is not constructed to fit a man; a cosmic philosophy is constructed to fit a cosmos. A man can no more possess a private religion than he can possess a private sun and moon.The riddles of God are more satisfying than the solutions of man. Job & God this thing about the world, as far as men are concerned, it is that it cannot be explained. God insists on the inexplicableness of everything. Yet today the fine thing about the world is that it can all be explained.God invariably punishes vice with terrestrial punishment and rewards virtue with terrestrial prosperity. If the Hebrews had answered that question wrongly they might have lost all their after influence in human history. . Why Israel believed that its prosperity was the reward of virtue, their next calamity is obvious. unlike Job who is not told that his misfortunes were due to his sins or a part of any plan for his improvement. we see Job tormented not because he was the worst of men, but because he was the best. Christ virtue and his prosperity are not lost . or the best and worst of us need Christ humility.
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    about right/left brain syncro: http://www.project-meditation.org/co...trainment.html

    I wonder though, is this taking the kingdom by force? not mentioned in the article is the "devils chord" which from what Ive read was a sound that the catholic church outlawed. I also wonder why their cathedrals were designed in such a way so as to resonate sounds..

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    In such a context, one could say, "the cathedral resonated with the music from ... Hmm, so it does! ... then the "sound" made by the book is "reverberating" within me. ..why so much of the cathedral service is chanted, or .expressed in musical tones; the resulting echo not being so inconveniently felt under such circumstances. ..https://youtu.be/8rzSDc-AFPo hey george thank God Chuck Berry was baptist without that "devils chord"nuthing would resonate . Christian churches first outlawed Christ with its latin . then the gothic masonic cathedrals nail a note on the front door its more babel the new towers and pyramids. true chords just the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george View Post
    about right/left brain syncro: http://www.project-meditation.org/co...trainment.html

    I wonder though, is this taking the kingdom by force? not mentioned in the article is the "devils chord" which from what Ive read was a sound that the catholic church outlawed. I also wonder why their cathedrals were designed in such a way so as to resonate sounds..
    Taking the kindgom with violence has to with spiritual warfare not sound frequencies: prayer, fasting, healing, treading on serpents, as necessary. Same way someone takes a gold medal or a pageant crown with violence, force or fervency. However, brainwave entrainment using binaural beats is a legitimate way to overcome mental or cognitive problems (there is a free program called gnaural)--Natura Sound Therapy might be a better choice though.

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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    That is what Jesus would do - Take the Kingdom by force. I have an interesting book called the Illuminatus Trilogy. Immanentizing the Christian Eschaton. It has three authors. It is about a rendition of what Jesus did. This is going to shock many of you.

    I have pulled Pragmatism for a moment while some people reconcile as beneficiaries.

    And the bookkeeper can be king if the public can be kept ignorant of the methodology of the bookkeeping. All science is the means to an end. The means is knowledge. The end is control. Beyond this remains only one issue: who will be the beneficiary.

    - From Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

    People who attribute being to a God outside themselves reconcile the books with - God works in mysterious ways. - Just as they appraise the church building to be whatever value will balance the books that month, together in their Corporate PERSON 501(c)(3) - President, Secretary, Treasurer and... forming that artificial entity. They call it double-entry.

    So Jesus felt so betrayed, having come so close to fulfilling the Last Prophecy. He had it worked out, he thought, with Judas. The Worthless Shepherd Prophecy of Zechariah clearly dictated that Judas was to go buy an expensive sword and return to the Last Supper and execute the new King with it; ending the role of Messiah ben Joseph. According to the Prophecy Jesus would arise in three days and fulfill execution of the second part - Messiah ben David. [Note that link is from Page 137 of the book - the number of the Qaballah - KOPH BETH LAMED HEY = 137.]

    All things work for good when you have that balance between the left and the right. In short - when I plugged in the naturally occurring isotopes and tweaked them for optimum resonance with my entrained vibration (Advanced Resonance Inductive Plasma Physics) - out came the Name of God, and the Name of the Messiah. The computer program took three days on my supercomputer:

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    Yes; it is okay to smile. I had to connect a power supply so that it would not run out of batteries and lose the program.

    When Jesus realized what Joseph - the affiliated authority - had done; he had bargained with Pilate to stage Jesus' death on the Cross; so as Jesus lost consciousness due to the hyssop sedative and having his cuts doused in vinegar he realized he would be surviving not only a kingly assassination by sword (Judas' betrayal was he chickened out) he was also going to survive Crucifixion, Jesus cried out:

    Father! My God! Why has thou forsaken me?!!
    Then he swooned in intense pain and shock as the Romans under orders sponged his cuts with vinegar. One soldier even nicked him and to the untrained eye, Jesus bleeding proved he was dead? No. That proves blood pressure! He was still alive. His heart was still beating.

    If you have the balance of this "entrainment" the Keys abound in the Holy Spirit.



    P.S. The fellow still lives in peace off the grid, in the middle of the METRO organization.


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    P.P.S. This is fun, but not a toy.

    I shared insight with Joseph HELFAND, a graduate student at the University of Maryland under mentor Sylvester James GATES III (Jim GATES Jr.). Jim and Joe were developing Supersymmetry and Superstring Theory in Jim's lab and so there was a lot of investment in a certain imbalance. Joe began to perceive attack as he introduced Advanced Resonance Inductive Plasma Physics and Jim began to accuse Joe of messing up "the Equipment" - the equations. Joe went into the Bethesda mental hospital for a month trying to reconcile the books. When Joe came back to Jim's laboratory (apparently) Jim was afraid and they fought.

    Joe went to the top of the parking garage and threw himself off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post

    People who attribute being to a God outside themselves reconcile the books with - God works in mysterious ways. - Just as they appraise the church building to be whatever value will balance the books that month, together in their Corporate PERSON 501(c)(3) - President, Secretary, Treasurer and... forming that artificial entity. They call it double-entry.
    Quoting myself from above -

    President, Secretary and Treasurer... I saved that for the next member of the PERSON - the congregant Members. This is developed here more in Life and Debt. Read this and understand this is typical attorney verbiage found in the bylaws of any 501(c)(3) non-profit tax-exempt corporation:


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    The example that ruined the flavor for me (literally) is how the first Sunday of each month the Religious Organization throws a birthday celebration for everybody who has a birthday during that month. This is done with big birthday cakes all around after service. Delicious! Or at least it used to be...
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