county recording/registering - nature of grant of instrument to county, state, etc.

[BLBereans]

I don't agree.
It is a private building.
Whom did the clerk swear the oath to?
The public is a collection of persons.

A good idea would be to get it right from the "horse's mouth"; why not ask the local clerk?

Write a simple letter with short simple questions, like:

Is the building where you operate as clerk a public or private building?

In order to "swear", and have any meaning or value behind it, one must do so appealing to a higher authority. Any meaningful oath is sworn to God.

The clerk has many duties, but most of all, it is to be the keeper, holder and authenticator of the public record.

The word person can be defined in any number of ways. People have a right to be secure in their papers and their persons without interference. Any clerk who swore an oath is bound to not interfere with such rights.

The main purpose of those who hold office in "government" is to secure, protect and restore property. Rights are property.

[walter]

Is the building where you operate as clerk a public or private building?

In my little tiny town the court house is a private building that they rent.
There is a vacancy in one of the shops below that is for rent right now.
The government seems to be the biggest renter there by taking the whole top floor with family services etc.
Court houses are registered corporations.

Ottawa police hire private security to run courthouse security screening
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...ning-1.3170505

[BLBereans]

In my little tiny town the court house is a private building that they rent.
There is a vacancy in one of the shops below that is for rent right now.
The government seems to be the biggest renter there by taking the whole top floor with family services etc.
Court houses are registered corporations.

Ottawa police hire private security to run courthouse security screening
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa...ning-1.3170505

Even if that is true; the terms of the lease dictate the use and user of the building. Why not get a direct answer rather than presume?

[pumpkin]

"In my opinion, the county courthouse is a public building and the clerk is available, and obligated, to serve the public."

I completely agree with this. The duties and obligations are upon the public servant, they are the trustee of the public trust. I have been fighting property taxation for some time now. What I have found, and what I believe is this. When they come against you to forcibly collect the tax, they have no case. The have no claim. Actually in my State, the statute specifically states 'in summary manner, without pleadings'. A claim is a pleading. Without pleadings is without a claim. Without a claim, there is no jurisdiction of the court to act. But, since someone will allow a case without pleadings (and or judgment) to stand against him, it, IMO, is considered an agreed case. IMO, that is the consent. The courts here have even held, 'no case can find lodging within the courts of this State, without pleadings or the statutorily required affidavit for an agreed case' (paraphrased but close)'. Some later case even took the affidavit requirement to be from 'one of the parties'. Here, the treasurer and auditor 'enter into an agreement' to bring the case. Interesting, ain't it?

[pumpkin]

"I don't agree.
It is a private building.
Whom did the clerk swear the oath to?
The public is a collection of persons."

They exorcise the power to tax. That is a governmental power. With that power comes all its duties, obligations and restrictions.

[andrew patrick]

many thanks for the input, men.

love, peace and life to all...

[allodial]

It might be that registration results in: 1 - the documents becoming public domain except for redacted portions; 2 - if you register property that is the subject of the document as being "in the State" then it will result in the property being deemed to be in the State along with associated consequences.

[pumpkin]

STATE, n. A people permanently occupying a fixed territory bound together by common-law habits and custom into one body politic exercising, through the medium of an organized government,

Black's 4th

I don't think being 'in the state' is what is happening. I think the executive does an improper action, but the judicial can not, so does not question the other branch.

[allodial]

STATE, n. A people permanently occupying a fixed territory bound together by common-law habits and custom into one body politic exercising, through the medium of an organized government,

Black's 4th

I don't think being 'in the state' is what is happening. I think the executive does an improper action, but the judicial can not, so does not question the other branch.

If you assert the property to be in the state in the registered document then voila..so it is.

[BLBereans]

They hate me.
They will do nothing for me.

Acts and statutes are copy written. Private property.
The bar card grants permission to use them.
Public has no standing in a private venue.
Public is granted access which can be invoked at any time.


In this video the judge states its his court house.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af5_1431881023

That's kind of sad dude. Do you really live that way?

Code is copyrighted, not the enrolled Law at the Library of Congress. Why would you want to rely upon copyrighted code anyway?

'Venue' and 'Building' are NOT synonymous.

In the video, the judge states he is in charge of this court house. That is correct; the chief judge is the building manager. Big difference.