I hope you are blessed by this presentment.
The Parable of the Fig Tree.pdf
shalom,
MJ
I hope you are blessed by this presentment.
The Parable of the Fig Tree.pdf
shalom,
MJ
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IMHO,Heteropaternal Superfecundation, Is what you are talking about. Cain and Abel were twins. I've seen this before and it distills down to a race issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterop...perfecundation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwXoKNvmiwI
http://www.tatepublishing.com/bookst...-1-60462-028-3
Originally Posted by Darkcrusade
Male and Female he made them......and Yehovah said it is GOOD! But The Man in the Garden of Eden is a man with specific purpose. To bring forth Yehoshuah in the Flesh - what did the Master say "Ye must be born of the waters of a woman and be born from the spirit above."
That first part is critical. This is the NATURAL means by which Yehoshuah comes into this Age. Just as every Soul he Created was made to come thru this age.
Now all the RACES were made on the sixth day. It was a specific man, The Man, put in the Garden for specific purpose. That is Election of Yehovah. Cain being the Son of The Satan is in a way Election of Satan to bring forth the Agenda of The Satan. I mean think about it where did all this false dogma come from? See that those sons can keep their fathers commands for thousands of years.....Jeremiah 35.
But Cain is NOWHERE to be found in The Man's geneology and The Man is nowhere to be found in Cain's geneology?
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I can't believe you went to Maury.....ROFL.....now that is precious....
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The Election is scattered about in all Races. But if one cannot see the controversy and how The Satan attempts to nullify the Word, time and time again, then one is unable to "Count" the number of the Name.
I can count. See attachment.
Attachment 268
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Back to Genesis 3:16
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow
and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Now, wait, all they did brother was eat an apple. Why would there be great pains in conception and in child birth? Maybe the apple was poison…..blah, blah, blah…..fairy tales..
H6089
‛etseb
eh'-tseb
From
H6087; an earthen vessel; usually (painful) toil; also a pang (whether of body or mind): - grievous, idol, labor, sorrow.
I watched my wife give issue forth two children believe me when I tell you it was no walk in the park. Must have been that apple Eve ate. Yep, it all makes sense now.
Could you please elaborate on what your assertion is here? I have read all four of your offerings and the teaching of the three "Ages" are very interesting. However, this point of yours about the man and woman not actually eating a fruit of the tree is confusing.
Gen. 3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
6086. ets
tree, trees, wood
Original Word: עֵץ
Transliteration: ets
Phonetic Spelling: (ates)
Short Definition: wood
3978. maakal
food
Original Word: מַאֲכָל
Transliteration: maakal
Phonetic Spelling: (mah-ak-awl')
Short Definition: food
6529. peri
fruit
Original Word: פֶּ֫רִי
Transliteration: peri
Phonetic Spelling: (per-ee')
Short Definition: fruit
398. akal
to eat
Original Word: אָכַל
Transliteration: akal
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-kal')
Short Definition: eat
I think that you could follow my assertions by reading the whole report; and I know that you did. Or, I think based on your inquisitive nature that you did.
What is fruit? Fruit carries its seed within itself. Like a Banana, Orange, Apple, etc. Man also is Fruit. And so that people might see - even the underwear makers were so kind as to call their "tighty whities" - FRUIT OF THE LOOM.
Man's seed - sperma - is within man. Therefore, Man is Fruit.
They did put those "fig leaves" over their GROIN - did they not? You know because eth-ha-aw-dawm was CRAZY and now "out of the blue" decided he needed pants. That apple, [whatever it was] must have been laced with some sort of poison - I mean what would make these two put "fig leaves" over their GROIN. Perhaps they should have made a napkin to wipe their mouths? I know it was doctrine the Snake - hissed at them. I jest, but you get the gist, Reader. These two, The Man and The Woman, were no dummies. They covered up what they had just participated in.
I got a young boy - 5 years old. Sometimes we buy OREO cookies and I do not want him to eat OREO's at certain times, so I tell him, son don't eat any of those cookies. If he has it in his mind he is going to eat cookies, and believe me a five year old can get those kind of thoughts, he may "sneak" a cookie. And when he comes in to my presence, I may notice that there are some black crumbs around the edges of his mouth. When I ask him "have you eaten any cookies", he naturally puts his hand over his GROIN, right? No, reader, he naturally covers his mouth.
And Yehovah increased the Woman's birth pains because you know, that makes perfect sense. She ate food so yep there you go - from here on out - you will experience great pain giving your issue. No friend the God I serve is quite natural and this explanation that some food was eaten, in my mind is quite unnatural in regard to Yehovah's response. It just makes no sense to me why eth-ha-aw-dawm and Chavvah would do what they did and then why would Yehovah curse Chavvah in terms of BIRTH pains?
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Paul trying Oh so hard to get them to see - I wish to present you as chaste VIRGINS - not as Eve who was beguiled by the Serpent.
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There are many phrases in language that do not mean exactly according to each word. Like "he knew her" or "to touch her". Both meaning the same thing but in a polite way.
How about "I'm on a roll".....does that mean I am rolling down a hill? Or does it have a euphemistic meaning?
How about "the sky is the limit". Or, "See if I care".
Yehoshuah said that if you "eat" and "drink" of the "bread of life".....
"but we are shown in the negative that Eve said she was not "To Touch" ....Touch euphemistically means - "To perform sex act".
It is really simple.
Which one of the "words" in the following euphemisms would you care for me to pick out and define. Will that help you? Absolutely not. It is a figure of speech or a Idiom or a Hebrew-ism.
Here is another....
1Ki 12:10 And the young men that were grown up with him spake unto him, saying, Thus shalt thou speak unto this people that spake unto thee, saying, Thy father made our yoke heavy, but make thou it lighter unto us; thus shalt thou say unto them, My little finger shall be thicker than my father's loins.
He meant he was going to TAX the crap out of them. But that is not what each word means individually.
To the Reader - Read the presentments and you , Reader make up your own mind. Do you own study and please reader, check behind me - do not Trust in Michael Joseph or any other man.
Thank you for this contribution it helps to dispel confusion.
Shalom,
mj
P.S. AJ, I think I am up to five now. The Garden, The Three Heaven and Earth Ages, The Election of Yehovah, Is Rapture just a bunch of hot Air?, and The Parable of the Fig Tree.
I hope you were blessed by them.
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I must have missed "The Garden", where is that thread?
I get your interpretation about man as a tree and seed within man and that is what I assumed you were asserting. That is a big leap from what most people interpret the Genesis garden account to be. I don't necessarily dismiss it out of hand, but there must be some way to confirm that these words are being used analogously rather than in the true meaning of the words used. You say that it is rediculous to deduce that God would banish the man and woman from the garden and increase the womans labor pains just for disobeying and eating from a forbidden tree. I don't get that reaction because I think it is entirely plausable that the disobedience of a direct command of God could have resulted in such consequences.
Who was the "tree" of knowledge of good and evil? Who was the "tree" of life? Why would "eating" from or "touching" a certain "tree" make one gain knowledge of what good and evil is and yet another would make one live forever? What type of "tree" has this type of power to give when "eaten" or "touched"?
And finally, the big question...
Gen. 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
What "tree" did the man have sex with? Did the man and woman have sex with the same "tree"? How would that physically work?
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AJ, I can guarantee that most folks have NEVER seen most of the assertions within any of the five posts. I can not help that. I guess, for me at least, when I decided to just put on the perspective that i have been lied to all my life, that was when i first started to see. I challenge everything in Scripture. As i suggest any man to do.
I took on the perspective that they ate some fruit, but then I cannot square that with the rest of scripture. So I suppose, for me, I try to look at the much bigger picture. The Tree of Life is the Angel of Yehovah - Yehoshuah but not in flesh form.
The entire Scripture is about one Man and his family - His-Story. Yehoshuah being called the Son of Man. Yehoshuah is 2nd Eth-ha-aw-dawm; Son of [The] Man - The Man in the Garden and The Woman [Chavvah].
The 2nd Age being about Faith and Works. James said it well. Faith absent Deeds [Works] is dead. If i see your Works, i will see your Faith. These two are inseparable. [Yes, I know I am off on a tangent - apparently someone needed that.]
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is Satan, The Serpent, The Devil, Lucifer, choose a name. It is really simple, what in our existence [wood or fruit] knows good or evil?
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Right - who told you you were naked. Sonos - sound. Yehovah told Chavvah and The Man - do not have ANYTHING to do with this one. The higher teaching is to the Elect. In the day, when they are delivered before the Fake Jesus [Satan playing like he is Jesus], do not argue with him. The remedy is "In the name of Yehoshuah get thee behind me". The trust has been vested in the Election.
Chavvah and The Man broke the first commandment - do not engage this one - period. This age is about a TEST. Let me see if I can show that.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
The former part of the verse is to the Election - Prejustified and presanctiied but the latter part is to the younger son [the prodigal son] with free will and choice. A test!
For a test to exist there must be a choice. Perhaps you have never thought of Satan as an Agent of Yehovah? Reader, does that stretch the tent chords of your mind?
Isa 10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.
Reader, the whole world is wrong!
Isa 10:17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;
Isa 10:18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standardbearer fainteth.
Isa 10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.
Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Did you catch that reader? The trees of the forest - Mankind is symbolized as Trees. And look at this at verse 19. Yehovah says the ones that will overcome will be so small than it will be such that a child may write them. That's slim pickins.
Written to the Election. The Assyrian, is a type for Anti-Christ [Satan acting as Jesus]
Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.
For Yehovah has prepared a Sacrifice and it is purposed and it is determined and it will come to pass. But you Reader can decide this day to choose Life! So do it!
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AJ, I have struggled myself with the last assertion. There is homosexuality in the world. Or perhaps there was a threesome in the same act. I am unsure exactly what The Man did, but there is no disputing "homosexuality" is in the world. To say that the law was given at Sinai as the first law given is not true.
Yehovah told The Man and The Woman - do not have anything to do with this Tree [Man]. Does it surprise you reader to have Satan called a Man? Yehovah himself calls himself a "great Fir Tree" - MJ's note: Evergreen and unchanging.....
Isa 42:24 Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the LORD, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.
Isa 42:25 Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his anger, and the strength of battle: and it hath set him on fire round about, yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to heart.
shalom,
mj
P.S. Isn't this most times the way of man. Pointing the finger....it was the woman - it was HER fault. I mean, I am innocent. She made me do it......here we go with the liability issue. The Man immediately seeking limited liability in The Woman.
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What seems a bit confusing is the assertion that the man must of had sex with Satan if we are to believe the analgous nature of these words being used.
The man said, "she gave me of the tree and I did eat."
She gave me of the tree and I did eat.
How does that translate exactly? Why does she have any power to give of the tree and how did she accomplish this?
To partake or "eat of the tree" for a woman so as to be given the "seed" is clear enough. But, to keep consistent with that interpretation, for the man to also "eat of the tree" means he engaged the "tree" in the same way, else why use the same words? So, that means that the man received the seed of the tree anally? What would that accomplish and why would the man allow himself to "partake" of such an obviously unnatural act?
What the man and woman describe as has happened in the garden is the same act for both utilizing the same words. This is what doesn't make sense to me and what makes the "Serpent Seed" doctrine, in my opinion, a bit difficult to accept, especially when it is espoused by many "crackpot types" (obviously not you MJ) who are openly racist against anyone who is not of the "white adamic race". If this doctrine is the truth, then why are there so many of these "wacko types" associated with and representative of it?
By the way, I have no protectionist feelings about any Christian dogma and I have no vested interest in the teachings of the modern Christian "church"; the truth is all I seek. In fact, that is one of the reasons I found myself among this group; I broke down and prayed to God to receive His truth above all else. My whole life was filled with a sense of uncomfortability and the "something's not right" feeling when either being taught about religion or my attempts to "learn" from the exalted and respected "preachers of the word" by attending the occasional "church service". I just thought it was me not being ready or mature enough to "act the part", or I thought I just had a bad rebellious "authority figure" problem that I needed to work on.
Now I know that those gut feelings I was having were justified, as most of what I had been taught my entire life were lies.
I freely admit, I too have problems with The Man partaking....
As do the racist groups, i think in part the reason why Genesis is not preached as it reads in the manuscripts is because of racism. For me, i see that the Election is in ALL races. This has to be true. Races are just duty boundaries. To say one race is superior to another is just downright hogwash. Are we not all the issue of the Creator?
The Elder son shall serve the younger. I think that the so called "Nazi" folks read the scriptures and decided that there is a chosen people, and there is, but this chosen people are chosen to DUTY to bring forth, by Works, Torah to the rest of the World, as example of how Yehovah expects us to live.
I mean just look at Korah. Who coming to Moses said you know I think me and my fellows could "help". Of course I am paraphrasing. But Yehovah demands discipline. Yehovah named the Priests and gave them strict Orders. In comes this one, Korah. So Moses said lets let Yehovah decide if your "help" is required. He and all 250 of his were swallowed up by the Earth.
So, while I maintain I am not a racist, and I know you are not calling me one, others will attempt to lump me into an "US versus THEM" scenario. That is unfair. What I would like the reader to see is that in a way - the sons of Cain "helped" to promote the doctrine of The Satan into this world. These are called to Negative Election. If that is just too much for you then set it aside.
There must be a choice for a test to exist.
Yehovah himself will hand the Sword, his Word, into the hand of The Satan. The Satan shall be booted from the presence of Yehovah to come now to this Earth, DEJURE, with His Angels. He is the Head and the ten toes are the ten Angels in charge of the ten Powers - these are NOT "enosh".
However, the angels, there will be more than ten, will again try to mix with mankind [clay and iron]. Yehoshuah saying it will be just like the days of Noah.
It is easy for men to twist the scripture to their desires. Especially in the presence of those who have no clue. Here is the thing - that term Serpent is a description of degradation. This Man is slick. He whispers dark secrets, etc. In regard to this man the trial has already occurred and he was found wanting....Son of Perdition. All else, save election are given a 2nd chance.
I am glad I am not the judge. I am also glad that I see now how absurdly ridiculous it is to sit at the feet of one man as if he is God. But people trust pastor. It is a shame. They trust Pastor so much in fact that they will even call themselves after Pastor's discipline. Now that is really sad.
One asked me the other day. How would you describe your religion. "I do not have one". Yehoshuah said I am THE WAY. Religion is the opiate of the masses. That used to piss me off. Now I see it is true. And this leads right into the Parable of the Fig Tree quite nicely.
If you "eat food" from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" - Bad Fig Tree, then that leads to Death. If you "eat food" from the Tree of Life" - Word of Yehovah - in the flesh Yehoshuah - then that leads to Life.
Yet one decided to touch this tree. Perhaps after all The Man just listened and acted on what he was told - and The Woman touched this Tree. Perhaps The Man did not Touch the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Or, maybe he did. I am unsure to The Man's actions, yet I am positive regarding The Woman "touched" and "ate".
Remember the Samaritan woman at the well with Yehoshuah? She represents the ten tribes Israel - their capital at Samaria. Yehoshuah saying I was sent to the lost tribes of Yisra'el. Yehoshuah said to her - I will give you water and you shall never thirst again. She "drank" [analogy to eat] of those waters. Notice she is at a well filled with h2o. Yehoshuah stands before her with KNOWLEDGE.
In a sense that well [flesh] is like a cistern. We must keep returning to it to nourish the flesh. The water Yehoshuah spoke of is Everlasting.
So in terms of "eating food" - perhaps in deed they both sat at the feet of the one they were commanded to ignore and listened and acted on said knowledge. But Chavvah, The Woman also laid with The Satan. Of that there is no doubt.
I mean lets take another hard look at Gen 3:15
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Term of degradation. This is not a snake. "beast of the field" are peoples in this world - sixth day creation.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Now the Serpent is a Man. And the Woman is man[kind]. So I will put GREAT Hatred between the woman and the man? That does not make sense. Women and men marry all the time. The Satan and The Woman [Yisra'el and her Election]. The Woman is the progenitor of Yisra'el.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
The Dragon, The Serpent, The Devil was in the Garden and made many attempts to make it impossible for Salvation to come into this Age. The Serpent is the Son of Perdition and is trying desperately to Nullify Scripture. He even tried to catch Yehovah, in the flesh Yehoshuah, at a weak point end of 40 fast - by quoting the very Word. Can you catch his twist. I'll give you a hint, Satan is quoting a Psalm. See if you can figure out why he stopped quoting the Psalm. How did Yehoshuah answer him?
The Serpent stood before Mother Yisra'el [The Woman] to devour the child - said child is Yehoshuah who would bring salvation, by Faith in the 2nd Age.
Rev 12 has all of time written in one chapter.
Later "the woman" is Election - go into wilderness [to be alone]. The World has it wrong. But they feel safe in their numbers. How could so many be so wrong. They were wrong in the first Age and they are wrong now.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
shalom,
mj
P.S. I know you, AJ would take the time to find this Psalm others will not. So here it is.
Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
I showed you Psalm 91 and the Devils words. Can you spot the error? Are you skilled enough in the Word to be able to stand before one who will claim to be Jesus who can speak the Word of Truth better than any pastor? How did Yehoshuah withstand? He quoted Scripture - In my NAME. - Yehoshuah = Word of God made flesh.
Reader so that you can see why Satan left off at Psalm 91:12, lets continue at 91:13
Psa 91:13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
Last edited by Michael Joseph; 04-08-11 at 07:30 PM.
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