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    Quote Originally Posted by walter View Post
    Just bought a new 2016 motorcycle (off road)

    New laws say must register.
    I did not. Told the store it was leaving jurisdiction.
    Response from store was “no problem, had to ask”.

    Paper work I received from store was,
    1#
    MOTOR VEHICLE PURCHASE AGREEMENT
    It has WALTER SMITH typed in the box at top with VIN #, make and model etc
    Price list with totals and date.
    Store stamp signature, and mine being the two given.
    The store put SMITH because they never asked my last nor did I give it.
    And it is not the original that I signed. Its a copy.

    2#
    NEW VEHICLE INFORMATION STATEMENT.
    One page original document with stores blue wet ink signature.
    Has make, model, year, body type, colour,weight, etc.
    Has Manufacture's Name.
    Then a fill in the blank Purchaser info section.
    Name, address, telephone, zip code, etc.
    This is left blank, store didn't fill it in.

    3#
    Transfer/Tax Form
    Insurance Corporation Of British Columbia (ICBC)
    Four page document, (one original and three carbon copy)
    Wet ink signature first page goes to ICBC
    Second page goes to AGENT.
    Third page BUYER.
    Four page SELLER.
    This Form has blue wet ink store signature.
    Store filled it up by putting WATER SMITH and address.
    And there is a place for purchaser to sign.
    This document states at the very top of the form that in ten days you must complete and take to agent with ID and only use blue or black ink.

    So 1# is not a bill of sale but a contact agreement between the purchaser and seller.

    2# must be the Manufacture Statement of Origin.

    3# is the bait and switch. If one delivers then say good bye to 2#.

    looks like there is no bill of sale.

    Now I 'am wondering what is the best way to protect the bike from seizure by statute?
    A key issue is if the store filled in the information it was your responsibility to is correct it. Likely they got it off the SOLB. The requirement to register is likely for residents. If you are not a resident and live somewhere that does not require registration then it might be sufficient to send them a Notice of Sale or a Bill of Sale showing sale, transfer or assignment to a non-resident.

    IMHO, one really has to be one way or another and fully know what one is doing. Fence sitting or dwelling in that border zone can be dangerous--sharp wires that cut.

    Re: customer
    Customer is the term for someone granted a royal warrant.

    Re: ID
    If your ID doesn't show you to be a resident, that is likely the key issue. Also, they seem to simply indicate that they want two forms of ID. In the USA at the U.S. post office, an insurance card can suffice as additional ID. A credit card could also suffice. From a very learned and informed perspective I add: certificates of title and driver's licenses tend to be restricted to residents of a state/province. Meaning the ownership or suretyship for the MOTOR VEHICLE VESSEL is a state/provincial office. Now it is possible to register through the normal process and maintain arm's length. As I have mentioned on other threads, the SF97 issued by the U.S. government (GSA) when an automobile is sold at auction is equivalent to an MSO and it is a very interesting process to study (see military auction forums) because U.S. government vehicles are sold and are treated as vehicles NEVER registered and Form SF97 is equivalent to an MSO.

    If you say you are taking it out of jurisdiction, they might presume that you are taking it to a jurisdiction where registration is required. If you don't live in any such jurisdiction IT WILL BE UP TO YOU TO PROVIDE THE NECESSARY PAPERWORK that a foreign DMV would provide. Take a look at Missouri's Notice of Sale.

    Also, even if they did not provide you a bill of sale, you can make up a certificate or affidavit of ownership.

    P.S. "Autoplan" sounds very 1984.
    Last edited by allodial; 02-04-16 at 03:13 AM.
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