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    A pertinent addition:

    33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

    34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

    35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

    36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

    37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

    38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

    39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

    40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

    41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

    42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures {Psalm 118:22}, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

    43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

    44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

    45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.

    46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.
    If one considers the story of Nebuchadnezzar and the three boys in the fire, it parallels with the parable of the vineyard. A king or set of rulers who get so full of themselves they want to hold people captive as a way of maintaining a political system, failing to get that they are dealing with something far larger they only think of rulership for their own sakes--pure self-service. Nebuchadnezzar failed to realize the limitations of his office, he mistook himself for being other than a trustee with respect to his official duties (i.e he went ultra vires it cost him dearly). When the State or State actors start thinking of themselves to be supreme lord of all without limitation, you are probably seeing the symptoms of the same disease that afflicted Nebuchadnezzar.


    The mina is the Word, when we sow seeds, or the word, who reaps the reward? In the parable of the sower, the word falls on different ground and doesn't produce, but one seed on good ground produces a hundred fold. But who reaps our efforts once our seed has been planted on good ground and produces a hundredfold? The Lord will reap at the harvest. Hence, in this parable "...and reap what you did not sow". Or the statement elsewhere in the gospel of Our Lord..."One sows, and another reaps".

    "Why did you not put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?" If you couldn't sow the seed, or spread the Word, why not give it to someone else who would have done so on your behalf? source: comment from What Does the Parable of the Ten Minas Mean?
    Re: Relationships With Others
    People who will not prosper others because they hate them or because they are niggardly (i.e. stingy on any or every level--stingy with kindness, stingy with money, stingy with patience, etc.) People who lie to others and oppress them for mere carnal political gain or control. Those parables seem to relate to relationship with others. Can you imagine the Communists or Capitalists explaining why they drove societies into the ground "to keep people from prospering too much".

    Imagine a parable where a king who has won a realm back from wicked rulers and as part of a great healing and restorative plan for the greater good, he blesses ten men each with 1 or 2 of his beautiful daughters along with orders to prosper, be fruitful and multiple and other such needful instructions and yet returns to find of the five men:

    1. two are sodomizing each because they "didn't want to 'defile the precious daughters'" or "afflict them with the pains of childbirth lest the king smite them in anger" and kept the king's daughters in a tower "to protect them and keep them safe" or because "they didn't want them to sin by having too much pleasure" or because "some guru" told them that "in order to remain holy and to avoid being entrapped in the bodily existence they should refrain from obeying the king". The king slays them outright for oppression and rebellion and gives the daughters over to the two prosperous men (#3).

    2. One had children with the single daughter that was given him and was very, very abusive to all of them. He grew up poor and despised wealth, despised the king and judged the king according to his own dim scruples and discouraged his own children from doing anything productive or from having a better life than he had growing up. He buried the funds the king gave him too and kept himself, his daughters and children in poverty and was very abusive. He would not hearken to the idea of wealth being a tool. He like the previous two men hearkened to others doctrines rather than to those of the king. Really, he was lazy and untalented and didn't have the sense to place the money in the hands of others who would make use of it. The king upon returning had him executed for oppression and rebellion.

    3. Two of the five men produced beautiful, healthy, happy and wise children who themselves had children and they flourished and had a great and well-known farm that flourished and overflowed with plenty. They are appointed as administrators of cities to instruct others as to how to prosper and be fruitful. The king gave the daughters he had given to the other three over to these two allowing the wives to choose which of the two they preferred. The king also sent them specialists to help the daughters and the two men overcome the side effects of psychological or physical abuse. Gladly the king received these two, his daughters and their children and their children's children and appointed them to greater, noble and enjoyable things.

    Clearly, the two of the five who produced beautiful healthy children who themselves had children would most greatly please the king upon his return. One who abused and hated the daughter "for trying to ensnare him in pleasure" (in his warped mind) and who only had one child who he also heavily oppressed--he did not please the king at all. These are like unto rulers who oppress and steal from people over whom they have been set and who thwart prosperity and set a very, very bad example: promoting crime and disdainful behavior because of their antics. Oh they will answer for it! Imagine this explanation: "Yes Lord, we kept them in line. We made sure they couldn't do anything. Instead, we did everything and our clique ran all of the business ourselves. We took all of the money out of circulation and forced them to live in high rise cinderblock buildings so they couldn't farm or do anything to hurt the soil. We took all of the gold and precious ore and jewels and such out of the soil so that they could not harm themselves with it. Where mankind lived we rewilded and now wild beasts rule. We locked things down real good. We kept them and everything under lock and key like a mina in a napkin: 'safe and sound'." The king might ask: "Do you know why the planet was made in the first place?"
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    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

  2. #42
    My exposing Christianity Explored as a shadow network for Amway distribution began a cascading mind bomb that functions like a mirror, showing these people how egregious it becomes to use the CHRIST-Mind for profit and gain. I do not attribute fear to God however; it is the guilt when they realize how debt actually has no value but the chaotic delusions they inflict - that is what becomes dangerous.

  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    A pertinent addition:



    If one considers the story of Nebuchadnezzar and the three boys in the fire, it parallels with the parable of the vineyard. A king or set of rulers who get so full of themselves they want to hold people captive as a way of maintaining a political system, failing to get that they are dealing with something far larger they only think of rulership for their own sakes--pure self-service. Nebuchadnezzar failed to realize the limitations of his office, he mistook himself for being other than a trustee with respect to his official duties (i.e he went ultra vires it cost him dearly). When the State or State actors start thinking of themselves to be supreme lord of all without limitation, you are probably seeing the symptoms of the same disease that afflicted Nebuchadnezzar.
    Hananiah, Azariah and Mishael. So you explain why everybody knows them in Christendom to be Meshack, Shadrack and Abednigo?

    Yet the Chieftain of the Babylonian Sorcerers and Astrologers retains Daniel PROPHET, and seldom does anybody think of him as Belteshazzar.

    I AM David Merrill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Hananiah, Azariah and Mishael. So you explain why everybody knows them in Christendom to be Meshack, Shadrack and Abednigo?

    Yet the Chieftain of the Babylonian Sorcerers and Astrologers retains Daniel PROPHET, and seldom does anybody think of him as Belteshazzar.

    I AM David Merrill.
    Indeed that is quite an interesting matter: why Daniel keeps his original name in modern retellings but the three boys are known of by their Babylonian rubrics (last names?).

    Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; and to Mishael, of Meshach; and to Azariah, of Abednego. Daniel 1:17
    Azariah (Jehovah helps) to Abednego (or Abednebo?) "Servant of Nego/Nebo";
    Misheal was renamed Meshach --from "Who is like the Most High" to "Who is like Aku";
    Hananiah (Jehovah keeps him or Jehovah is gracious) to Shadrach/Shadaku "Command/Lord of Aku".

    The new names were to match the Babylonian religious paradigm. It is suggested that Daniel protested somewhat the change and his protest made its way into the text of the book thusly Abednego was written instead of Abednebo (Daniel protesting the naming after Babylonian gods)--ala William Shea (1988). You might be interested in (which covers the topic): Belshazzar and Bel(te)shazzar: New names and Old Names for Daniel and Friends Belshazzar means Bel protect the King Amil-Marduk, Was He A Believer? The same Daniel who wouldn't eat Nebuchadnezzar's food probably didn't like being called Belteshazzar either.

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    As the god of wisdom and writing, Nabu was linked by the Greeks with Hermes, by the Romans with Mercury, and by the Egyptians with Thoth. (Wikipedia)
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    My exposing Christianity Explored as a shadow network for Amway distribution began a cascading mind bomb that functions like a mirror, showing these people how egregious it becomes to use the CHRIST-Mind for profit and gain. I do not attribute fear to God however; it is the guilt when they realize how debt actually has no value but the chaotic delusions they inflict - that is what becomes dangerous.
    Interesting, Amway and 'debt money'. Systems posing as ways to freedom but yet are snares. Amway, a scheme to sell books to people until they come to realize attempting to sell dish detergent to one's neighbors some at a price of five times that of local store isn't probably the best idea.

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    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    "I was told by Enoch that 'the Light pictographs' will seal the bodies that will be resurrected. Therefore I was told that those anointed through divine pictographs would receive their knowledge through pictographs of light..." - 5:148, quoting J.J. Hurtak, Keys of Enoch

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    Richard Feynman wonders about the different ways in which different people think about things:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj4y0EUlU-Y

    "Translation Scheme"

    short, two part video, both parts very good. a guy gave me a book by this man many years ago but he wrote in such a comical way that I couldnt take him seriously at that time. thought he was too goofy to be taken seriously LOL

    some people I can relate to easier in writing and others I find I can only relate to viva voce. its weird.

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