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    Let every Student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the maine end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life (John 17:3) and therefore to lay Christ in the bottome, as the only foundation of all sound knowledge and Learning. And seeing the Lord only giveth wisedome, Let every one seriously set himself by prayer in secret to seeke it of him (Prov. 2:3).

    Every one shall so exercise himselfe in reading the Scriptures twice a day, that he shall be ready to give such an account of his proficiency therein, both in Theoreticall observations of Language and Logick, and in practical and spiritual truths, as his Tutor shall require, according to his ability; seeing the entrance of the word giveth light, it giveth understanding to the simple (Psalm 119:130).


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    First, you remove God and the notion that we need His revelation in order to transcend our own reasoning and to know "His Way"

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    Then, you hide the truth by: replacing God's Word with "man's word" and intentionally breeding illiterates through "modern" education controlled by those who hold sway in governmental capacity or through influence therefrom.

    Has the agenda changed since the lie in the garden?

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    But the earth became (or "had become") without form, and void".
    “Without form, and void" has been translated from the Hebrew phrase "tohu vav bohu". The words tohu and bohu are also found in Isaiah 34:11, but is there interpreted differently;
    Isaiah 34:11 "But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion (tohu) and the stones of emptiness (bohu)."
    Thus “tohu” can also mean "confused", and “bohu” can mean “empty”. "Confused" and "without form" share in common a lack of order, in a place where there should be order. Perhaps, then, the text could be read as follows; "But the earth was in disarray, and empty".
    Jeremiah 4:23-26 also uses the phrase "tohu vav bohu", as follows:
    “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form (tohu), and void (bohu); and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.”
    You will notice that this verse describes the Earth as it would have been at the time of Genesis 1:2;
    1. The Earth is described as "formless and void" (or "in disarray and empty")
    2. There was no man
    3. There were no birds
    What is interesting, though, is that it refers to cities, and what's more it seems these cities had received judgment from The Lord - "all the cities thereof were broken down (in disarray) at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger". Perhaps these cities represented the homes of the angels who had fallen.
    The word "choshek" has been interpreted as "darkness", and when we read it we assume this is a natural darkness (i.e. before the creation of natural light), but the word "choshek" is also used in Exodus 10:21 to describe the darkness The Lord brought upon Egypt, which was so dark it could be felt. The word "tehown" has been translated as "the deep", but is in fact the same word (Greek abussos – abyss) used to refer to the home of demons and evil spirits, the place from which the anti-Christ emerges.
    Thus, again, Genesis 1:2 could be read
    "But the earth was in disarray, and empty; and spiritual darkness was upon the face of the demonic realm."The ancient Hebrew seer laments:"In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment" (Isaiah 59:13-15). Learn of the only one who can and will give justice to all.The plain truth website digs up some dirt on formless and void again discovering the truth has more to do with ignorance and education on best how to avoid it and ig noring it.Christ was without tenure or professorship turning tables and education over is political suicide for ignoring upsetting our ignorance thus college Theoretical observations of Language and Logic, and in practical and spiritual truths, as his Tutor shall require,a philosophy and philapathy A person feeling philapathy may or may not be right depending on the circumstance. However, philapathy is an imaginative sense nonetheless.A latin mass and a moral confusion a Harvard and a have not. no hidden tuition with Christ be as free as ignorance or as far from it as Christ.good and evil is where ones knowledge is professed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xparte View Post
    But the earth became (or "had become") without form, and void".
    “Without form, and void" has been translated from the Hebrew phrase "tohu vav bohu". The words tohu and bohu are also found in Isaiah 34:11, but is there interpreted differently;
    Isaiah 34:11 "But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion (tohu) and the stones of emptiness (bohu)."
    Thus “tohu” can also mean "confused", and “bohu” can mean “empty”. "Confused" and "without form" share in common a lack of order, in a place where there should be order. Perhaps, then, the text could be read as follows; "But the earth was in disarray, and empty".
    Jeremiah 4:23-26 also uses the phrase "tohu vav bohu", as follows:
    “I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form (tohu), and void (bohu); and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.”
    You will notice that this verse describes the Earth as it would have been at the time of Genesis 1:2;
    1. The Earth is described as "formless and void" (or "in disarray and empty")
    2. There was no man
    3. There were no birds
    What is interesting, though, is that it refers to cities, and what's more it seems these cities had received judgment from The Lord - "all the cities thereof were broken down (in disarray) at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger". Perhaps these cities represented the homes of the angels who had fallen.
    The word "choshek" has been interpreted as "darkness", and when we read it we assume this is a natural darkness (i.e. before the creation of natural light), but the word "choshek" is also used in Exodus 10:21 to describe the darkness The Lord brought upon Egypt, which was so dark it could be felt. The word "tehown" has been translated as "the deep", but is in fact the same word (Greek abussos – abyss) used to refer to the home of demons and evil spirits, the place from which the anti-Christ emerges.
    Thus, again, Genesis 1:2 could be read
    "But the earth was in disarray, and empty; and spiritual darkness was upon the face of the demonic realm."The ancient Hebrew seer laments:"In transgressing and lying against the Lord, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood. And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the Lord saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment" (Isaiah 59:13-15). Learn of the only one who can and will give justice to all.The plain truth website digs up some dirt on formless and void again discovering the truth has more to do with ignorance and education on best how to avoid it and ig noring it.Christ was without tenure or professorship turning tables and education over is political suicide for ignoring upsetting our ignorance thus college Theoretical observations of Language and Logic, and in practical and spiritual truths, as his Tutor shall require,a philosophy and philapathy A person feeling philapathy may or may not be right depending on the circumstance. However, philapathy is an imaginative sense nonetheless.A latin mass and a moral confusion a Harvard and a have not. no hidden tuition with Christ be as free as ignorance or as far from it as Christ.good and evil is where ones knowledge is professed.
    We know this is not the FIRST ESTATE of man for that would mean there is a grave error in the Bible - Ref Isaiah 45:18. But consider the base nature of man's consciousness - how art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer. Man likes to externalize himself and point the finger at others. But now we see the five aspects of carnality which brought man low into Base Consciousness. Man fell from the Mountain into the Valley of the Shadow of Death.

    There was never and will never be a "talking snake". This is the Central Nervous System in man. Man choose to experience this Planet Eden thru this Carnal Nature. A reset thusly was made roughly about 12k years back.

    In the Scripture Man is a Title. A Man is one who is Spiritually Conscious. Dominion is therefore granted to Man NOT the beasts of the field - those who walk in base consciousness! Clearly there is a problem with the historical model. Human's today cannot get close to building the structures of yesteryear and some would have that we are at the peak of technology? Hardly.

    Nothing leaves the law boundary of the Husbandman! All things are made subject to His Dominion.

    Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

    Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

    Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    We know this is not the FIRST ESTATE of man for that would mean there is a grave error in the Bible - Ref Isaiah 45:18. But consider the base nature of man's consciousness - how art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer. Man likes to externalize himself and point the finger at others. But now we see the five aspects of carnality which brought man low into Base Consciousness. Man fell from the Mountain into the Valley of the Shadow of Death.

    There was never and will never be a "talking snake". This is the Central Nervous System in man. Man choose to experience this Planet Eden thru this Carnal Nature. A reset thusly was made roughly about 12k years back.

    In the Scripture Man is a Title. A Man is one who is Spiritually Conscious. Dominion is therefore granted to Man NOT the beasts of the field - those who walk in base consciousness! Clearly there is a problem with the historical model. Human's today cannot get close to building the structures of yesteryear and some would have that we are at the peak of technology? Hardly.
    I see no error in the first estate of man being Eden. Isaiah 45:18 refers to the notion that God does not create the earth in vain; not to be a wasteland of confusion and shame as is the "end-game" for the idol makers/worshipers He spoke about in earlier verses (context!).

    Pointing the finger at others so as to avoid responsibility for one's own actions is one thing, claiming that there are NO external forces in the unseen realm working against us is yet another. You seem to bounce back and forth between denying the literal and accepting it. There does exist a prime entity whose goal is to spread evil; we are NOT God's only creation. There is the Heavenly Host who is His Divine Council in the unseen realm and they too are responsible for their own actions. Some chose to follow the adversary in revolt and rebellion against their Creator since they did not find favor with God's new created family of man whose original estate is earth and who was granted great authority.

    The "talking snake" polemic is an old and tired argument. The nachash is obviously NOT a "talking snake"; it is a serpentine-like shining being who obviously did not cause Eve to marvel as to why she was conversing with a "talking snake". The account in scripture makes it clear that she did not find the "serpent" being as unusual in her realm nor a being whose ability to speak was out of the ordinary. Heaven and earth were close and communion between the two realms was normative in Eden. God walked with them daily until the expulsion.

    The "structures of yesteryear" were attempts by man to re-create Eden on his own terms (humanism - the lie of the garden) by re-gaining access to the Heavenly realm. I am NOT impressed with said "technology" when the inspiration behind it was for sheer rebellion and the religion of "ME" manifesting by way of assistance and "knowledge" from the fallen members of God's Heavenly Host. Any knowledge gained that is NOT directly from God is an abomination and should be regarded as such.
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    Unraveling the mystery of the talking snake is rather easy: a humanoid priest or representative of the Cult of Snake Worshipers. If the serpent represents a carnal mind then it can easily be equated with a totally-carnal involved in serpent worship (i.e. the other man's carnal mind and carnal nervous system being the Serpent--devoid of the higher mind). The serpent worshiping occultist 'eats of the dust' the false doctrines quench not thirst. Coincidentally, it comes to mind that mirages are associated with dry desert places.

    Regarding Harvard
    Kaballists infiltrated the English/British royal courts (~1500) via John Dee. Calvin infiltrated the Protestant movement (i.e. a widespread realization that encouraged the saints of Western Europe to return to original, non-Roman doctrinal roots) bringing usury into Western Europe. Some say it went downhill (in Britain) from there. The American Colonists probably thanks to George III (who was committed to a mental institution probably because he disagreed with the occultists) escaped. Eventually the same occultists would lay siege against the United States and would infiltrate U.S. Government more solidly by the late 1800s.

    Re: Eve's Discourse With the Serpent
    See above re: attacking meaning. The Gay Agenda is 100% a religious movement--even the blatant use of Sigil Magic is obvious in many Gay Agenda logos. If A is in the original estate and B wants to remove A to B's diminished estate, one trick might be to get A to adopt the meanings and language of the diminished estate. This is exactly what the Gay Agenda proponents are doing. The Gay Agenda is an arm of a religious movement--even if the 'average Joe' gay guy doesn't realize such the truth remains. They are attacking the First Estate using spiritual/mental methods: the attack is on meaning and is a subtle form of subversion. (See also: militant atheism.)

    Gay Agenda, Magickal Rites & Political Control
    Now there are those who want to run to defend the Gay Agenda but it has nothing to do with effeminate men wanting to get along with everyone. Buggery has been tolerated for a long time in the USA and Europe. The Gay Agenda is a subordinate, satellite movement to a subtle religious agenda. Their objective is to destroy the original estate. The Gay Agenda is in part about attempts to redefined to say 'sodomization of one man by another' to the extent that it is regarded to be the same as solemnization of marriage on the same level as male-female copulation. To push the adoption of the Magickal Rite of Sodomy by the 50 States and to displace the original Roman, Christian or Universal ideals of marriage.

    The outward show of the Gay Agenda and the MSM hides the subtle maneuvering aimed at opening the door to institutionalize the ownership of men by men (i.e. sexual and chattel slavery) and to make the act of sodomy into a governmentally institutionalized rite of ownership. Consider a Muslim once told me that it was OK for them to have sex with their slaves wives. So it makes you wonder about slavery in America? Was it Christians? Or was it Islamists all along disguised as Christians? So the idea if you don't get it folks: there are those who claim to own everyone as slaves, and they believe that they have the right to sodomize their male slaves, to sodomize their female slaves, to have sex with their slaves' wives (why do you think they attack marriage and promote divorce?) Of course, since it all about power and control, their ideal is to control and desecrate men (as their crown prize of ownership) through slavery "sealed with the kiss" of sodomy. And ritually they aim to infuse their spirits into the man they sodomize and lay control of him--to make him more susceptible to their 'magnetic influence' (See mesermism). Of course, they aren't going to say this outright in the MSM--but their objective has been made clear by their own confessions and not only that it is easily discernible from a study of the historical record as well as their own texts.

    The Hate Is From Them
    Those who want to distract from the point will try to massage this into a "message of hate". Believe me, they hate anyone who isn't interested in their Gay Agenda. The hate is toward the innocent or those disinterested in their sex worship and political sodomy agenda. They want to hide the truth that it really isn't about expanding rights in the good sense, its about making a mockery of the rights of others. I have never any more hateful, disgusting and obsessed than gay men who having set their sights upon a man who is politely disinterested in their sexual fetishes, cannot tolerate his disinterest and will use drugs an all kinds of nefarious antics to destroy his life--even relationships with women (even to destroy those women) to get their "dreams". In all fairness, there are plenty of gay men who will leave well enough alone--but there are those who are obsessed and capable of becoming destructively and criminally obsessed with sodomizing their targets. In 15 years of observation, less than 85% of the gay males are interested in leaving others alone. Disinterest is 'hate' for them. What that means when they cry 'hate' is that they hate those who don't agree with them, so they imagine the other to hate them in order to reconcile or justify the hatred they already feel. (See: projection.)

    I used to see things a lot more neutrally, but I realize there are some very dangerous people. As a matter of fact, among one Pentecostal congregation's members there were warnings about casual ministering to gay males because they would become very violent should anyone disagree with them. The general idea was to pray for the well-being of others but some you might avoid ministering to them. And that was from back in the mid 90s. Men loving men is natural and normal. However, one a man can love a man or woman without any sexual contact whatsoever being involved.

    A gay male took over a coffee shop chain in the South (Caribou Coffee) and made a point to fire any male employees who would not allow themselves to be sodomized. But aren't these supposed to be reasonable, modern men who are for choice and liberty? Not at all. That is hate. If you didn't allow them to sodomize you, you were fired. Workers at the coffee shop said it was like a religion: if you didn't convert you were forced out of a job. And this was the mid to late 90s. But the MSM doesn't tell you this. Even back then, innocent, harmless men would become target of gay men who would stalk them to look for opportunities to spike their drinks or food. If their victim took revenge and beat them, they would call it "gay bashing".

    ***

    The Gay Agenda is mentioned because it is a glaring and obvious example of a movement that is being used as part of another movement to attack and undermine: meaning, purpose and intent. To attack meaning and intent is to attack purpose. If the original directive is to go from point A to B, if they can deceive you into accepting their new definition of B---well you get the idea. I was once taught that although Satan has no formidable, true power, he still has the 'power of the lie'. Redefining meaning is a tactic to get someone to believe a lie.

    Quote Originally Posted by BLBereans View Post
    {BLBereans replying to Michale Joseph}You seem to bounce back and forth between denying the literal and accepting it.
    There is this thing called a double bind:

    A double bind is an emotionally distressing dilemma in communication in which an individual (or group) receives two or more conflicting messages, and one message negates the other. This creates a situation in which a successful response to one message results in a failed response to the other (and vice versa), so that the person will automatically be wrong regardless of response. The double bind occurs when the person cannot confront the inherent dilemma, and therefore can neither resolve it nor opt out of the situation.

    Double bind theory was first described by Gregory Bateson and his colleagues in the 1950s.[1]

    Double binds are often utilized as a form of control without open coercion—the use of confusion makes them both difficult to respond to as well as to resist.[2]

    A double bind generally includes different levels of abstraction in the order of messages and these messages can either be stated explicitly or implicitly within the context of the situation, or they can be conveyed by tone of voice or body language. Further complications arise when frequent double binds are part of an ongoing relationship to which the person or group is committed.[3][4]
    Introduction of a 'student' to two conflicting ideas as a subtil technique to introduce a third maxim typically done secretly (the real objective of some teachers is to introduce someone to something new for the purpose of blanking the mind of the student in order to clear the way for the real implant). The period that the student holds the conflicting ideas is a period of cognitive dissonance. The double bind technique is designed to destroy first two systems to which the conflict pertain while all along the teacher's hidden intent was to establish a third maxim, belief or the like. (As in, the first injection is purposed create a conflict which leaves a hole for the third.) I'm not suggesting MJ to be actively creating double binds but, that kind of back-and-forth brings the double bind and things related to such to mind. Those going back and forth might also be in a period of struggling with inner conflict.

    Related:
    This is hate: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...to_prop_8.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    We know this is not the FIRST ESTATE of man for that would mean there is a grave error in the Bible - Ref Isaiah 45:18. But consider the base nature of man's consciousness - how art thou fallen from heaven O Lucifer. Man likes to externalize himself and point the finger at others. But now we see the five aspects of carnality which brought man low into Base Consciousness. Man fell from the Mountain into the Valley of the Shadow of Death.

    There was never and will never be a "talking snake". This is the Central Nervous System in man. Man choose to experience this Planet Eden thru this Carnal Nature. A reset thusly was made roughly about 12k years back.

    In the Scripture Man is a Title. A Man is one who is Spiritually Conscious. Dominion is therefore granted to Man NOT the beasts of the field - those who walk in base consciousness! Clearly there is a problem with the historical model. Human's today cannot get close to building the structures of yesteryear and some would have that we are at the peak of technology? Hardly.

    Nothing leaves the law boundary of the Husbandman! All things are made subject to His Dominion.

    Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

    Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

    Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
    Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.


    Joh 18:35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

    Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    Comment: Here Pilate - lower mind - only sees externally. Thus he only sees labels of people - Jew.

    Joh 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

    Joh 18:38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

    Comment: Carnality is a "land of confusion" - BBL. "Yea though I walk thru the Valley of the Shadow of Death". A place where truth is bound up FROZEN. How can one be baptized in Truth [Water] if said water is frozen [snow]?

    Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

    Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


    Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
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    Nebuchadnezzar's trust formed by typical law. In 604 BC he began the invasion of Israel; in 586 BC he took the Temple from the Kingdom (of David/Solomon). Twenty years.

    The spiritual kingdom was represented outside Babylon. That is the deliverance promised by Jesus; a return to Israel prior to Nebuchadnezzar's conquest of carnal ego mind. Of course one can register the Kingdom and Crown as completely divine in propagation. But I have looked into it and Jesus was the bastard son of Archelaus HEROD, king of Israel. Then in his early thirties Jesus was re-adopted into the royal family - affiliated again.

    Hollywood caught this in Kingdom of Heaven:


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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    But I have looked into it and Jesus was the bastard son of Archelaus HEROD, king of Israel. Then in his early thirties Jesus was re-adopted into the royal family - affiliated
    Well, I guess that settles it then. Case closed everybody, Jesus is NOT the incarnate God as He claimed; he is only the bastard son of Archalaus HEROD.

    Who wants to break the news to the rest of Christendom?

    I gotta hand it to ya, you gotta way my friend.

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    It robs Jesus of divinity not. I find it refreshing to understand the truth. Jesus said that the Kingdom is at hand and that heaven is within.

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