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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    I do not think we can discuss the Self without going to Philosophy. And inevitably we are going to end up at Origins.
    Which, ironically, is where "opinion" comes in. And, opinion, is where confirmation bias (I call it "conformation" bias) comes in.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    What is the Self and who Created it?
    Just take it easy, Man.

    If you get a thousand people, you may indeed come up with a thousand different answers, but one prevailing attitude: They all believe they are right, and yet cannot prove it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    Those questions beg for something greater than Us and someone that is without us; yet, perhaps that one, is also within us. Or said another way dwells with us in our Intellect - Spirit. The Self being the True me - Nephesh as the Hebrews say [crossing over].
    Those questions beg for the creator to make itself known, in a full-disclosure sort of way. Or, said creator can leave said created self in the dark, floundering around, while finding said creation a source of great entertainment, much like the "Truman Show," all while demanding (again according to opinions of interpretation of a sole communication purportedly left behind many centuries ago, with no software upgrades or bug reporting system, or even a help desk number where "users" can get help, especially with connectivity issues: "My blacktooth is not picking up this frequency")

    I can only testify that the summons I have issued were returned as "undeliverable."


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    Yet the Self also goes to Identity. And Identity goes to construct. Identity where and per whose terms. Shall I use a name to identify my Self? That name is an operation of mathematics / law = model - that lowers my True Self - Soul. If I use a name to "help" me with relationships, then my name is amongst other names. Is not a name a claim? Of course it is. Yet, we live in Society so we need a way of dealing with each other and names seem to be a practical solution. Yet see that a name is a persona and as such a means to belittle man - a mask. I heard a clerk say more than once - "Can I have your name, Sir?" Will I grant an agency over my Self to another?

    Then I heard another speak of a Legal Name. Is that the Self? Or is this just a choice to further degrade the Self? Legal to what construct? Legal goes to Trust. So then who holds the titles in and for that Legal Name?

    Now man has lowered his Self with a name and now there is a further Choice to use a Legal Name. The Self is without the naming convention - the name is just a label to belittle - the Self is Supreme and Divine. All Souls are Mine sayeth YHVH.
    So YHVH just lowered himself by incorporating a name? I don't get the "lowering" by using a name. Why not "raising?" I thought that the "Messiah" was given a name above every name? Wouldn't that be raising, instead of lowering? (Although he wasn't given the name that was prophesied...)


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    Yet if the choice is made to belittle one's self, then the idea of diversity comes into play.
    Again, if using a name is "lowering," then how does this apply to us, but not to the "creator?"


    [QUOTE=Michael Joseph;104]

    All souls belong to YHVH as Creator - then vested in Yehoshua, as Trustee

    Isn't this a claim? I would imagine that you, MJ are the claimant for this thread, anyway, but the ORIGINAL claimant, who is that? Why has the right to cross-examine, or continued communication, ceased?


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    - we as Owners - owners of what - Owner goes to who has the Right of Use - we do with Choice. Yet, if the Creator decides to Act against his creation - He hardened Pharoah's heart - The Creator is with that Ability as Creator.
    This is where I get confused, because if the Creator can decide to act against his creation, then why not just a little communication from said Creator? And, further, can said creator write on stone tablets, and on the wall of a palace, but with the most important writing, the one that the purported creation is supposed to rely on for centuries upon end, the same Creator, at the time of such writing, decided to work through "agents" instead of taking time out of his busy schedule of being entertained by his creation...

    The logic isn't there for me, nor is the faith, since the logic is so, well, illogical.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    Diversity goes to Construct. Diversity from what?

    Exploring the so called Right of Self Determination.....Who granted that Right?
    Who needs to? I say who I am. Who's stopping me? You've seen judges agree that I can call myself whatever I want, and you've seen them agree that I am the man, rather than the legal name.

    But, why do I need their agreement? (or the creator's agreement, although to get response for any reason would be a definite change)

    [As a side note, the performance review seems a little late for me also... (It is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgment) Couldn't we kinda have a few sessions as we go along, and kinda tweak things, so that the end meeting wouldn't be so one sided?]


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post

    Was it a man or are man's conventions just reflecting the greater light. Sort of like the moon reflects the light of the sun - said another way - are man's writings just reflecting the idea that the Right of Self Determination is a grant from the Creator we are with Choice to choose ye this day. Life or Death - Jeremiah 17:5 or 17:7.
    Again, for me, this goes to relevance. If this is truly relevant, then so is up to the minute, real time communication. No talky, no walky...

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post

    Therefore man is without the ability to grant Divine Rights, yet man can recognize that those Rights = Property = Ability to Use exist. As such, do I require a Society to recognize my path? Yes and No.
    And yet the pope grants such rights to the monarch of London.


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    The question remains, what are your express intentions and how will you live at peace with your neighbor absent trespass? Mistakes happen; yet, will you express your willingness to come to the table with Standing to show your Responsibility and Accountability?

    I heard one say - nonsense. Why must I be compelled to do such a thing? Do you live alone on an island? Or do you interact with others daily? I'll wager the latter. Now the question only remains how will you express this Self Determination? And tell me how do you plan on identifying your Self?
    I see this dance all the time. Honor is developed and built. Demand for honor, when no honor has been extended, is something that I am adverse with...
    Last edited by Metheist; 03-05-11 at 11:04 PM.
    1. Know who you are
    2. Know who has the burden of proof
    3. NEVER argue
    4. Document and/or know your remedy

    I'll give you legal advice, as long as it's not illegal advice...

    I'm sure you think your religion is the only way to heaven, but I just can't buy it right now...

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