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    Just a thought, could some Judges don't even know how government works?

    While doing some research, I came to notice that there are a lot of DUI / DWI cases about judges:

    Do a google search for "judge arrested dui OR dwi" and you will see.

    Now, I came across this article:

    http://poststar.com/news/local/judge...cc4c002e0.html

    A state Supreme Court justice has ruled in Warren County's favor in a lawsuit that questioned the county district attorney's office's handling of a driving while intoxicated case.

    Glens Falls lawyer Tucker Stanclift last month filed a lawsuit against the Warren County District Attorney's Office accusing the prosecutor's office of improperly intervening in an Oct. 12 license suspension hearing in a driving while intoxicated case.

    License suspension hearings are civil proceedings, and Stanclift objected to the district attorney's office's questioning of a witness Stanclift had called to contradict a police officer's testimony. Stanclift had sought to overturn the license suspension and establish that prosecutors could not take part in license suspension hearings.

    Glens Falls Judge Richard Tarantino suspended Stanclift's client's license, and Stanclift sued Tarantino and District Attorney Kate Hogan, claiming that Assistant District Attorney Matthew Burin should not have been allowed to cross-examine the witness.

    Justice Robert Muller sided with the district attorney's office and judge, calling Burin's actions "completely appropriate," and finding that the "fundamental fairness of procedural due process would be undermined" if the district attorney's office was not allowed to cross-examine a witness.

    The judge also found the law does not specifically allow prosecutors to take part in the hearing, but it does not bar them, either.


    Hogan said her office agreed with the judge's findings.

    "Judge Muller hit the nail on the head when he said that fundamental fairness requires that the people be provided the same due process rights as a defendant, and denying our ability to cross-examine a witness violates our due process rights," she said.

    Stanclift said Muller's decision will be appealed.

    He said allowing the prosecution to take part in license suspension hearings raises questions about whether such proceedings are civil in nature.

    "I disagree with the finding that a prosecutor can participate in a civil proceeding, as was done in this case," Stanclift said.

    He said the district attorney's office's involvement will likely lead to claims that a person is subject to "double jeopardy" when prosecuted in criminal court for DWI after his or her license is suspended during a civil proceeding after an arrest.
    Like it reads, license suspension hearings are civil matters, think about that for a moment. If you signed the application, you entered into the contract, right?

    Now, don't get me wrong, there are some cases where the judges know and have used procedure to get out of the charges.

    Then, it seemed odd that judges would not have other judges help each other, and guess what, there are judges' associations.

    http://aja.ncsc.dni.us/

    Clearly they are not the ones in the select circle. If they were, there would not be a need for an open association. The point being, judges are just powerful cogs in the machine of state, even they don't know the most powerful secret.
    Last edited by Gavilan; 06-17-16 at 02:52 PM.

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    Going on about associations, there are County Associations http://www.naco.org/

    National Governors Association
    http://www.nga.org/cms/home.html

    The Council of State Governments
    http://www.csg.org/

    State and Local Government Management Associations
    http://webapps.icma.org/stateassociations/

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    Now here is the thing, look at all those associations, there is a LOT OF "MONEY" involved in government.

    And here we are, we know the fundamentals of the system is held together by the currency and the meaning of this quote:

    "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

    No wonder.



    The Rothschilds

    "The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." — Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863
    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils...al_reserve.htm


    Now, only if you have passed a similar experience could you comprehend this, you can be dressed in the most glorious fashion, feasting on the most choicest food, with the most exclusive people of the planet, and making merry with them, yet you would be the most desolate man or woman in the universe if you have not the wisdom to know who you are, and the appreciation for your blessings.

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+4

    Proverbs 4New International Version (NIV)
    Get Wisdom at Any Cost

    4 Listen, my sons, to a father’s instruction;
    pay attention and gain understanding.
    2
    I give you sound learning,
    so do not forsake my teaching.
    3
    For I too was a son to my father,
    still tender, and cherished by my mother.
    4
    Then he taught me, and he said to me,
    “Take hold of my words with all your heart;
    keep my commands, and you will live.
    5
    Get wisdom, get understanding;
    do not forget my words or turn away from them.
    6
    Do not forsake wisdom, and she will protect you;
    love her, and she will watch over you.
    7
    The beginning of wisdom is this: Get[a] wisdom.
    Though it cost all you have,[b] get understanding.
    8
    Cherish her, and she will exalt you;
    embrace her, and she will honor you.
    9
    She will give you a garland to grace your head
    and present you with a glorious crown.”

    10
    Listen, my son, accept what I say,
    and the years of your life will be many.
    11
    I instruct you in the way of wisdom
    and lead you along straight paths.
    12
    When you walk, your steps will not be hampered;
    when you run, you will not stumble.
    13
    Hold on to instruction, do not let it go;
    guard it well, for it is your life.
    14
    Do not set foot on the path of the wicked
    or walk in the way of evildoers.
    15
    Avoid it, do not travel on it;
    turn from it and go on your way.
    16
    For they cannot rest until they do evil;
    they are robbed of sleep till they make someone stumble.
    17
    They eat the bread of wickedness
    and drink the wine of violence.

    18
    The path of the righteous is like the morning sun,
    shining ever brighter till the full light of day.
    19
    But the way of the wicked is like deep darkness;
    they do not know what makes them stumble.

    20
    My son, pay attention to what I say;
    turn your ear to my words.
    21
    Do not let them out of your sight,
    keep them within your heart;
    22
    for they are life to those who find them
    and health to one’s whole body.
    23
    Above all else, guard your heart,
    for everything you do flows from it.
    24
    Keep your mouth free of perversity;
    keep corrupt talk far from your lips.
    25
    Let your eyes look straight ahead;
    fix your gaze directly before you.
    26
    Give careful thought to the[c] paths for your feet
    and be steadfast in all your ways.
    27
    Do not turn to the right or the left;
    keep your foot from evil.
    Solomon, humbled himself, he asked for wisdom:


    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...2+Chronicles+1
    2 Chronicles 1New International Version (NIV)
    Solomon Asks for Wisdom

    1 Solomon son of David established himself firmly over his kingdom, for the Lord his God was with him and made him exceedingly great.

    2 Then Solomon spoke to all Israel—to the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds, to the judges and to all the leaders in Israel, the heads of families— 3 and Solomon and the whole assembly went to the high place at Gibeon, for God’s tent of meeting was there, which Moses the Lord’s servant had made in the wilderness. 4 Now David had brought up the ark of God from Kiriath Jearim to the place he had prepared for it, because he had pitched a tent for it in Jerusalem. 5 But the bronze altar that Bezalel son of Uri, the son of Hur, had made was in Gibeon in front of the tabernacle of the Lord; so Solomon and the assembly inquired of him there. 6 Solomon went up to the bronze altar before the Lord in the tent of meeting and offered a thousand burnt offerings on it.

    7 That night God appeared to Solomon and said to him, “Ask for whatever you want me to give you.”

    8 Solomon answered God, “You have shown great kindness to David my father and have made me king in his place. 9 Now, Lord God, let your promise to my father David be confirmed, for you have made me king over a people who are as numerous as the dust of the earth. 10 Give me wisdom and knowledge, that I may lead this people, for who is able to govern this great people of yours?”


    11 God said to Solomon, “Since this is your heart’s desire and you have not asked for wealth, possessions or honor, nor for the death of your enemies, and since you have not asked for a long life but for wisdom and knowledge to govern my people over whom I have made you king, 12 therefore wisdom and knowledge will be given you. And I will also give you wealth, possessions and honor, such as no king who was before you ever had and none after you will have.”

    13 Then Solomon went to Jerusalem from the high place at Gibeon, from before the tent of meeting. And he reigned over Israel.

    14 Solomon accumulated chariots and horses; he had fourteen hundred chariots and twelve thousand horses,[a] which he kept in the chariot cities and also with him in Jerusalem. 15 The king made silver and gold as common in Jerusalem as stones, and cedar as plentiful as sycamore-fig trees in the foothills. 16 Solomon’s horses were imported from Egypt and from Kue[b]—the royal merchants purchased them from Kue at the current price. 17 They imported a chariot from Egypt for six hundred shekels[c] of silver, and a horse for a hundred and fifty.[d] They also exported them to all the kings of the Hittites and of the Arameans.


    Give me wisdom and knowledge, that I may lead this people, for who is able to govern this great people of yours?
    THINK ABOUT THAT! "for who is able to govern this great people of yours?"

    Two fundamental commandments,
    http://biblehub.com/bsb/mark/12.htm
    29Jesus replied, “This is the most important: ‘Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord, 30and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’e 31The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’f No other commandment is greater than these.”
    If you don't love yourself, you do not love God. If you don't love God, you do not love yourself, much less can you love your neighbor.

    Can you see now, that if you love money, you cannot love God, you cannot love yourself and much less can you love your neighbor... Wisdom, "The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding."

    Amen!

    Thanks be to God!
    Last edited by Gavilan; 06-17-16 at 02:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavilan View Post
    If you don't love yourself, you do not love God. If you don't love God, you do not love yourself, much less can you love your neighbor.

    Can you see now, that if you love money, you cannot love God, you cannot love yourself and much less can you love your neighbor... Wisdom, "The beginning of wisdom is this: Get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding."

    Amen!

    Thanks be to God!
    Gavilan, you will lead and teach many! Shalom, MJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    Gavilan, you will lead and teach many! Shalom, MJ
    May the peace and grace of our Lord be with you, MJ!

    Let all be according to His will!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavilan View Post
    May the peace and grace of our Lord be with you, MJ!

    Let all be according to His will!
    I acknowledge and accept. Praise Yah.
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    I just wanted to continue a wee bit about associations, for some peculiar reason the thought has not left my mind. It occurs to me that by the use of the Birth Certificate you are joining an association, a much larger association; a world wide association.

    Now, think about this:

    One day you wake up, and you fully comprehend you are a man created in God's own image.

    You look around, and you see all these associations/relationships and how they affect you and those around you and even those far away from you on the other side of the world.

    Then you see that your ancestors bound themselves unwittingly by their actions to many associations that now are demanding you comply to their demands.

    Even worse, those running those associations begin issuing misleading, convoluted, disparaging, derogatory, etc., guides. e.g., http://www.mschiefs.org/wp-content/u...tro_For_LE.pdf

    What is a man to do?

    After giving it some thought, it is quite simple really... Look what the Founding Fathers did: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

    They took one voice and declare what they believed, and served notice to all the World.

    And BOOM! A new experiment in world politics was born. But how does a nation of men with free will govern itself in a just and equitable manner? Answer, by individual consent.

    So, what happens when ignorance begins to reign again because of the natural course of life and those that had suffered the experience of injustice and despotism died and were no longer able to assert their liberty?

    What happens when shrewd men join together to subjugate and exploit their peers? And the less able do not comprehend what has happened?

    Tyranny, despotism, and eventual autocracy.

    It seems to always come down to one's associations.

    So with whom are you associating?

    If you associate with the Lord, you certainly won't go wrong.
    Last edited by Gavilan; 06-21-16 at 01:24 PM.

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    I AM Love AM I.

    The point that jumps out, but only at a glance, is that Associations have rules and these rules are called bylaws. So if we have Bar Associations etc. then we have conflict of interest in the courtroom environment, at the least. But possibly we have a whole new law boundary being set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I AM Love AM I.

    The point that jumps out, but only at a glance, is that Associations have rules and these rules are called bylaws. So if we have Bar Associations etc. then we have conflict of interest in the courtroom environment, at the least. But possibly we have a whole new law boundary being set up.
    Great point, David. I didn't even think there could be a conflict of interest!

    What do you mean about a whole new law boundary?

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