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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    This gets better and better! Funny how a little sleep sheds a lot of light. Look at the back side of the Supreme Court document - Page 2. The clerk put the "RECEIVED" stamp there where it might not be noticed!

    So this tells me that they understand the Connection you speak of. Or something very similar.
    The term "separate sovereign" is a very interesting piece of art. That verbiage ("separate sovereign") tells me that Comrade WOLSKI may have taken a refresher look at United States v. Cruikshank (1875) in drafting his ORDER. And guess what? That case is a post-Civil War case that is very much pertinent to characteristics of the 'new' post-Civil War Union (stranger container) which seems highly modeled after the Canadian style of federation (in Canada each of the provinces are regarded to be sovereign, each has a Lt. Governor General and there also is a Governor-General).

    This does not, however, necessarily imply that the two governments possess powers in common, or bring them into conflict with each other. It is the natural consequence of a citizenship which owes allegiance to two sovereignties, and claims protection from both. The citizen cannot complain, because he has voluntarily submitted himself to such a form of government. He owes allegiance to the two departments, so to speak, and within their respective spheres must pay the penalties which each exacts for disobedience to its laws. In return, he can demand protection from each within its own jurisdiction. United States v. Cruikshank (1875)
    In my assessment, even with lack of a principal-agent relationship, if the United States, is facilitating a disturbance or the like, then the matter tends to come under tort law.

    Attachment 4417

    He mentions torts later on. If you look closely, he refers to:

    1. Colorado ("Colorado is, however, a separate sovereign"--does not specifically refer to "the State of Colorado" there);
    2. the State of Colorado;
    3. the state of Colorado ("The United States does not have an agency relationship with the state of Colorado or the Colorado judiciary"). {He speaks truth because officers of the Crown aren't necessarily State officers.}


    What about District of Colorado?

    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    So this tells me that they understand the Connection you speak of. Or something very similar.
    Very likely they do.
    Last edited by allodial; 08-30-16 at 08:51 AM.
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