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    And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. its a old story of greed control Christ was the greatest shit disturber and the world owes him nothing and you owe the world less following the truth backwards is moving forward no worship no war no problem for me or you but it is not what a greedy world ever wanted i hate religion not any one who has faith in a written word is wrong just make sure its author or its authority is not JUST HIS STORY z=Q? following Christ is taking up the cross one nail at a time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    If all men are created equal, then one man has no right in another man to represent another man, unless said Right is Granted. However, if Artificial Persons are seen as Things, then representation of a Thing does not create a problem - as Rights in Things, regarding an estate - are in fact easily represented. As the cestui que trust is going to want his/her/its interests preserved.
    Consider also that when it is said all "men" are created equal the phase does not refer to man-kind as a whole but rather, in my opinion speaks to the allegorical meaning. For clearly if the Settlors agreed that all men were created equal, then they would not be happy to hold some men as slaves as many of them did.

    Rather by "men" is meant those who issue forth a claim upon the Earth in God under Providence to steward the Earth as Trustee and as vassal kings sitting in the Mercy Seat of Christ. Therefore, it is true that in this sense all "men" are created equal. And those so called "men" leave their mother [church] and father [state of nativity] and take a wife [citizenry]. And the husbands [men] or leadership love their wives [citizenship] and the wives [citizens] submit themselves to their husband [leadership]. Therefore the two cleave to each other and the two become one.

    These two form State. And at international law according to the Law of Nations, these two form a Moral Person. Therefore, Husbands love your wives!

    For years I have struggled with the concept that why did not all of Israel come up the Mountain to Sup? In the stead of all coming up the Mountain, they elected a Moses [Rational Intellect] to go for them. We can externalize the story but it gets more real when we internalize the story and see that most of us have lived all of our lives on the Mountain of Ai [Wasteheap - Left Brain] where we live in a constant state of duality - in Pisces the dual fish [good and evil]. We are as Peter that great fisherman that fished all the Age Long [Night] and did not catch one single GREAT FISH in his own five sense limited mind.

    But then he as Moses crossed over the Red Sea [Corpus Collosum] to lead his people [thoughts and desires] into the Promised Land. But we see that Rational and Intellect cannot ascend to the Promised Land [Moses died] but that Joshua [Yehoshuah] led the people into the Land. That is to say once they crossed over see March 21, June 21, Sept 21 and Dec 21 they came into Bethel [House of God - Right Side of the House]. There they found intuition and experience.

    Looking back at Noah we see one captain [you] in one boat [consciousness]. Remember the 12 rowers [diciples in the boat]? When Christ came to the 12 walking on water Peter stepped out and could ascend with his eyes on Christ. But when he began to rely upon Ai [his own intellect] he sunk into the mire.

    Now let me tie this all together. As we begin to cross over the Red Sea from Ai to Bethel we leave the natural estate [red and ruddy] as brute beasts [lower conscious beings] and we take on the manhood of Spiritual Beings receiving the title Man. Jesus was called Son of Man for indeed in that respect the Spiritual Man is son of the Celestial Man [the All the one absent a name, the Ain Soph].

    And thusly it is said that the Man [Eth Ha Awdawm] is granted Husbandry in the House of God. And it is said "it is not good that man should be alone". Thusly from within Man's Dominion is formed and fashioned Woman. And these two are One in Sacred Trust in God our Founding Father and our Lord Jesus Christ [His and Our King - Magnus Regent]. As there is one emanation from God of which and for which all is subject to - so too the mirror reflects the same image in the Earth.

    And therefore so to is the same fractal realized within the fractal of mankind. And this fractal is not subject to form of matter in regard to male or female. Nevertheless we can know the eternal by looking at the created. For the created symbolizes the eternal. And finding a woman in the earth there must be aspect of my consciousness that is both male and female. Male [intellect = Left = Ai]; Female [Intuition = Right = Bethel]. Nevertheless in order to bring forth a child there is need of seed which is of a male.

    As such, this is the root cause of why Jacob's thigh was put out of joint and he was made to limp. This is merely allegorical to the extent that Jacob no longer relied upon his own intellect and experiences based on his five sense limited mind and he was made halt to remind him of those limitations. Rather Jacob was granted a new name in God = Israel = Prince. As in a Prince[ly] mind. So that now, from an enlightened state of being our feminine nature is as a chaste virgin being presented to Christ as the Chrism Oil descends from above and our Lamps are made full.

    Thusly we can see that all Men are in deed created equal for their is only ONE WAY - and that way is straight and narrow and is without the broad traditions and falsity of the orthodox houses which are anti-christ. For these teach that we cannot be transformed into the image and likeness of Christ. And furthermore that we may not sit down as vassal kings/queens in the mercy seat with our Great Lord and Savior and Redeemer who is The Way of Being - Jesus Christ.

    For once one knows the truth and does the truth, then the truth sets one free. If one desires to be king, then one must claim in God - For the Property is in God and we are mere Husbandmen who Steward the kingdom. Farmers or Trustees as it were - tilling the ground to bring forth the good fruit pleasing unto God and man.

    What is shocking to me is that many will read the foregoing agree with its premise and then argue how can they use law of another Man's House in order to gain a benefit in another Man's House. And I saw a beast rising out of the sea...indeed....and much cattle.

    Jonah 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

    Notice Jonah is a Man who was content to sit under his Gourd in God and watch the world die. Nevertheless all that Jonah is was granted of him by God for God makes the Man. And thusly are all Men created equally.

    Gal 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
    Gal 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
    Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

    For the Kingdom exists and the Princes as heirs of the Kingdom undertaking in the Grant for the mutual benefit of all. For we see in Unam Sactum a Claim in God as follows:

    God as Grantor
    Pontiff as Grantee

    but later we see in the triple crown [three testamentary trusts]

    Pontiff as Grantor
    Princes over kingdoms as Grantees

    Therefore the kingdoms are subject to a higher power [Grantor] and the Grant may be revoked as long as there exists the office and a Man to occupy within. Thusly is the Church [Mother] Apostolic. And since no claim has come forth to challenge Unam Sanctum the Curia and the Cardinals continue on as Trustees and Administrators of the Triple Crown.


    So what is on trial currently? The Husbandmen who would run the kingdom into the ground for greed, lust and prestige. The three snakes in the hand of Hercules. Love is on trial -and patient are the saints. Have you ever noticed that a confessional booth is EXACTLY like a courthouse? If you think the confessional booth is not a Juridical construct - think again.

    Many make claim to common law thinking themselves to be somewhat - but says Paul - they add very little. For he who makes a use of law to gain a benefit is suppliant or subject to the jurisdiction of the Kingdom - Man [King].

    The Heavens are God's Throne [Higher Mind] and the Earth [Lower Mind] His footstool. Both realms are subject to God and thus the Divine Law. We however, may consent to waive our rights in God and consent to another testament.

    And every kingdom must be liable for its deeds and the treasury its surety. Now read this and Understand the Great and Wonderful Way of God - which is the Power of God called Jesus Christ:

    Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

    THEREFORE comes first the Claim. If Providence allows, then Grantor is God and Grantee is the Claimant.

    The Claim is subject to a Survey - else there might exist a trespass.

    The Grantee is Chief Trustee [King] which may grant out Property Rights and Estates from said Claim to others who may freely choose to undertake on behalf of the Kingdom.

    Any such future grant is QUALIFIED subject to the original Grant and can be no greater. For any subset of a set can be no greater than the set.

    Would to God that all would come up the Mountain - but Jesus said to the Men - "the poor you have with you always."

    By the Graces and Mercies of God the people are beginning to awaken as the Man with the "Water Pitcher" is pouring out His Spirit upon all Flesh [Lower Mind].

    Let us fan the Divine Spark within. Have you ever wondered why the powers that be desire, rather require, that the State be a 3rd party to our marriages? Now you see why. You TWO have the unlimited potential to FORM STATE. For it only takes TWO. The two become one.
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    In the human soul there are needs which cause people to seek each other out; people are united by experiencing similar needs. The upbringing of a child means that one soul is caring for another. Anyone who reads a bible or any book is drawn out of the egoistic circle of his individual life, for it is not he alone who absorbs the author's thoughts; even when he is only half-way through any book he is already sharing these thoughts with a great company of other readers. And so, through this kinship of soul-experience, a certain human community is formed. This is an important characteristic of spiritual life and seeing a spiritual path that it has its springs in freedom, in the individual initiative of the single human being, and yet it draws men together, and forms communities out of what they have in common.This site is what i consider the springs of freedom not some babbled brook. As wherein the individual initiative or the ability to assess and initiate things independently. The pristine springs cant be muddied the Christ life belongs not to single men but to the fellowship of men. It is different with what can be called, in a strict sense, a political life, the life of civic rights, which brings administrative order into human affairs. You see, however hard one may try to discover, with the most exact methods of spiritual awareness , the deeper connections of political life ... one can find no relation between this political life and the Spiritually sensible. Political life is entirely of the earth Materially We must clearly understand what this signifies.what shall we take as a preeminently earthly type of legal relationship? The relation to property, to ownership. If I own a plot of land, then it is solely by political means that I am given an exclusive right and tenure of the land. It is this which enables me to exclude all others from using the land, building on it, etc. So it is with everything that has to do with public law. The sum total of public law, together with the means taken to protect a society from external interference — all that makes up political life in the strict sense.The first truth was conveyed by Christ Jesus when in the old phraseology he said: “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” Faced with the pretensions of the Roman Empire, He wished above all to separate everything to do with political life from all that bears the imprint of the spiritual . But when the purely earthly State seeks to make itself the bearer of a spiritual earthly impulse for example, the State seeks to assume responsibility for religious life, or for education then we have the situation characterised by the deeper teachings of religion, Wherever an attempt is made to mix the spiritually sensible with the earthly-political, "the poor you have with you always." a policy that Political life is entirely of the earth. Materially Misconduct you have with you always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xparte View Post
    In the human soul there are needs which cause people to seek each other out; people are united by experiencing similar needs. The upbringing of a child means that one soul is caring for another. Anyone who reads a bible or any book is drawn out of the egoistic circle of his individual life, for it is not he alone who absorbs the author's thoughts; even when he is only half-way through any book he is already sharing these thoughts with a great company of other readers. And so, through this kinship of soul-experience, a certain human community is formed. This is an important characteristic of spiritual life and seeing a spiritual path that it has its springs in freedom, in the individual initiative of the single human being, and yet it draws men together, and forms communities out of what they have in common.This site is what i consider the springs of freedom not some babbled brook. As wherein the individual initiative or the ability to assess and initiate things independently. The pristine springs cant be muddied the Christ life belongs not to single men but to the fellowship of men. It is different with what can be called, in a strict sense, a political life, the life of civic rights, which brings administrative order into human affairs. You see, however hard one may try to discover, with the most exact methods of spiritual awareness , the deeper connections of political life ... one can find no relation between this political life and the Spiritually sensible. Political life is entirely of the earth Materially We must clearly understand what this signifies.what shall we take as a preeminently earthly type of legal relationship? The relation to property, to ownership. If I own a plot of land, then it is solely by political means that I am given an exclusive right and tenure of the land. It is this which enables me to exclude all others from using the land, building on it, etc. So it is with everything that has to do with public law. The sum total of public law, together with the means taken to protect a society from external interference — all that makes up political life in the strict sense.The first truth was conveyed by Christ Jesus when in the old phraseology he said: “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.” Faced with the pretensions of the Roman Empire, He wished above all to separate everything to do with political life from all that bears the imprint of the spiritual . But when the purely earthly State seeks to make itself the bearer of a spiritual earthly impulse for example, the State seeks to assume responsibility for religious life, or for education then we have the situation characterised by the deeper teachings of religion, Wherever an attempt is made to mix the spiritually sensible with the earthly-political, "the poor you have with you always." a policy that Political life is entirely of the earth. Materially Misconduct you have with you always.
    I want to filter that through Legal Identity; The Coming of Age of Public Law by Joseph VINING.

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    Toward the end of my abridged rendition you might get that those balanced into the CHRIST Mind are a class action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Toward the end of my abridged rendition you might get that those balanced into the CHRIST Mind are a class action.
    Right - these have come to the positive nature of Saturn and have entered into the Sanctuary whereof there is balance. They eat the bread by the Light. No longer are they confined and defined by symbols.

    Yes brother - Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    A great key which turns the door is comprehending the difference between: "Jesus Christ"; "Christ Jesus", "Jesus", "the Lord Jesus Christ" and "Christ"

    the writers were not lazy. Leadership must be balanced and not self seeking [serving]. Let he who would be the greatest be the servant to all.

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    In the political life of rights, on the other hand, we have to do with something which makes us all equal before the law. We are concerned with the relation of man to man. We have to ask, what our right should be. No question of rights exists among animals. In this respect, also, we are raised above the animals, even in our earthly affairs. But if we are connected with a religious community, or with a group of teachers, then — just as much as in civic relationships — we come up against personal claims, personal wishes. In the economic sphere, it is through the overcoming of self that something valuable, not derived from personal desires, comes to expression — brotherhood, responsibility for others, a way of living so that the other man gains experience in never acting .[My person the actor] This is also the true Christ-Knowledge for our time and the immediate future. That is what we shall learn and impart if we are willing, today, to listen to the Christ. He Himself said “I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.” This means: Christ did not speak only during His time on earth; His utterance continues, and we must continue to listen for it. We should not wish merely to read the Gospels (though certainly they ought to be read over and over again); we should listen to the living revelation that springs from His continued presence among us.“Make new your ways of thinking” (as His forerunner, John the Baptist, said: “Change your thinking”), “so that they may reveal to you man's threefold nature which demands also that your social environment on earth shall have a threefold membering a body soul and spirit. the people from whom Christ Jesus was born looked on themselves as the chosen people, and they believed that happiness would come to the world only if all other peoples were to die away, and their own stock to spread over the entire face of the earth. In a certain sense that was a well-founded belief, for Jehovah, the God of this people, had chosen it as his people, and Jehovah was regarded as the one and only God.this was a justified perception for the old Hebrew people, since out of this old Hebrew people Christ Jesus was to emerge. But with the enactments of the Christ this way of thinking should have come to an end. After that, it was out of date: in place of the recognition of Jehovah we should have come the recognition of Christ — the recognition which compels one to speak always of humanity, just as, Christ does I think Jehovah might have had his fill of politics And Christ is the proxy vote written especially within all humanity when we aren't acting what should we be doing IMBO enjoying the garden is the integrity i place in Christ and the one who sent him.A re gifting of Hebrews is Abraham not the father of all nations well who's your daddy.Great Law Book that bible it again may be a tad too Jehovah in any event the Christ is a Man of redemption. the hard act to follow is only when your acting with only a body and a soul but a man's threefold nature is with a spirit.

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    https://youtu.be/GQLFf9ZdWPY?t=295

    Therefore the sultan ingests the imprint of the 153 genomes and combines that with the requirement to study the Law:

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    It is the willingness to lose his identity in the commonwealth of his brethren, that equips him to lead.

    In the political life of rights, on the other hand, we have to do with something which makes us all equal before the law

    This is the essence behind Nehemiah 10 - the first written Constitution.



    P.S. That is an amazing post xparte! Those words are worth considering carefully.
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    ...John the Baptist, said: “Change your thinking”), “so that they may reveal to you man's threefold nature which demands also that your social environment on earth shall have a threefold membering a body soul and spirit.

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    What the commercial priestcraft depends upon is the teaching that the RUACH is what God breathed into Adam - the Breath of Life. RUACH is emotional. Important, yes, but the NESHEMAH is what God breathed into Adam - His Mind - NESHMAT CHAIM.

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    Do not ask to-day for any abstract ways to the Christ; ask for these concrete ways. Seek to understand the way through your personal thinking, which consists in becoming inwardly tolerant towards the opinions of mankind at large, and developing social interest for the thoughts of other men. to act out of the spirit. When our actions spring from this achieved idealism we are acting in accordance with the intentions of the Christ.Minus all priestcraft that wishes only for our spirit stiffed indoctrination and compliance to o nly a earthly body and soul [destroy this temple and its spirit will rise] Christ did not descend from worlds above the earth in order to achieve merely earthly ends,He was offered the same priest craft and refused. He came down to the earth from higher realms in order to fulfill a divine earthly purpose. We shall grow towards Him only if we cultivate idealism in ourselves, so that Christ, Who represents the earthly divine within the realm of earth, can work through us. Spirit can be realized with intentions, are we no different than Paul in saying about Christ: “Not I, but Christ in me.” I see how one needs a principle of justice. To-day we have reached a stage when principles of justice can be derived only from the spiritual world. And again and again it must be pointed out that nowadays it is not enough to keep on and on declaring Christ People must recover belief in the spirit. and be redeemed from the material misconduct. Mention Christ in the principle of justice the earthly justice he labored for is not some spiritual jurisdiction he needs help with the Christ is “wind,” “breath,” Mind or “spirit.” and God put wind, breath, mind, spirit. In his living creature. All this gives us further warning not to think merely of belief in the spirit, but to try above all to make such an encounter with the spirit that it gives us strength to see through the reality of the material, our external worlds Bullshit . That proof is by the way one looks at things, seeing them in the light of the spirit. is just getting agreement with all adversaries Materially Physically Spiritually .

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    The Christians assume that Jesus came to deliver Israel from the Romans; while Paul clearly delivered Christians to Rome. It would be much more appropriate according to the first constitution - Nehemiah 10 - that Jesus intended to deliver the Temple Mount from the Jews (Babylon).

    Where I was born, there is a labyrinth - I will go think this over. I was born on the NW Corner of the Golden Rectangle.


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