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Thread: W-4 form and the intent for Lawful Money, first step to getting a mistake corrected.

  1. #21
    Does anyone have thoughts on if being a state government employee ("STATE OF XXXXXX") has any bearing on this?

    In addition to my previous information maybe I should have noted I also filled out an "Employee Action Request" form STD. 686. It appears to be the state version of the W-4. Payroll asked for this after I submitted the W-4 (not 12 USC 411). If I recall correctly I received a IRS 3175C letter (no fine) many months later.

    Here is a link to a STD. 686 I found on the internet: http://hr.sdsu.edu/pdf/Payroll/EAR.pdf

    This is on page 2:

    "IF YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM EITHER FEDERAL OR STATE WITHHOLDING, but not exempt from both, contact your personnel office for special instructions."

    I am thinking lawful money would be exempt for both.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Whenever somebody is handing you cash, postage stamps or money orders - lawful money of the US - and they want you to sign for it, assume they are asking you for endorsement of private credit. Sign your demand for lawful money rather than an endorsement.
    This caught my reading the real news today. Why it was in the NY time today is bewildering.

    THE NEW POSTAGE STAMP CURRENCY. - NYTimes.com Published: July 20, 1862 http://www.nytimes.com/1862/07/20/ne...-currency.html

    THE POSTAGE STAMP CURRENCY; Statement of City Postmaster Wakeman in Reference to Defaced Postage Stamps. Published: October 11, 1862 http://www.nytimes.com/1862/10/11/ne...e-defaced.html

    In 1862, paper money was not backed by gold or silver and, therefore, it was only a very tenuous faith in the Government that gave people any assurance that paper money had true value. Most people didn’t want to embrace that faith. Combine that feeling with the uncertainty associated with the ultimate outcome of the civil war and, hence, the hoarding of common gold, silver and copper coinage, the time-tested, universally accepted exchange medium. But people still needed to purchase a 3¢ loaf of bread, a 1¢ newspaper, a 5¢ quart of milk and countless other goods that required coins. And vendors had to make change when an item’s price was less than a nickel, a dime or a quarter. How was this to be done? http://www.ephemerasociety.org/blog/?p=883
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Chex View Post
    This caught my reading the real news today. Why it was in the NY time today is bewildering.

    THE NEW POSTAGE STAMP CURRENCY. - NYTimes.com Published: July 20, 1862 http://www.nytimes.com/1862/07/20/ne...-currency.html

    THE POSTAGE STAMP CURRENCY; Statement of City Postmaster Wakeman in Reference to Defaced Postage Stamps. Published: October 11, 1862 http://www.nytimes.com/1862/10/11/ne...e-defaced.html

    In 1862, paper money was not backed by gold or silver and, therefore, it was only a very tenuous faith in the Government that gave people any assurance that paper money had true value. Most people didn’t want to embrace that faith. Combine that feeling with the uncertainty associated with the ultimate outcome of the civil war and, hence, the hoarding of common gold, silver and copper coinage, the time-tested, universally accepted exchange medium. But people still needed to purchase a 3¢ loaf of bread, a 1¢ newspaper, a 5¢ quart of milk and countless other goods that required coins. And vendors had to make change when an item’s price was less than a nickel, a dime or a quarter. How was this to be done? http://www.ephemerasociety.org/blog/?p=883
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    Thanks for this post Chex! Now imagine how this same technique could be applied to improve the "Indorsed Bill Remedy" to perhaps provide "certified funds" to settle "obligations of the United States", with the NAME on each bill being an "instrumentality of the United States".

    Below is item #4 of the "Indorsed Bill Procedure", revised to incorporate the anti-counterfeiting feature of the 1862 "postage stamp" currency.

    4. Use certified copies of #3 as Proof of Contract with US for Indemnification against all claims when indorsing, sealing and returning bills via USPS Certified Mail Return Receipt Requested to CFO as payment (for deposit only to United States), along with above Usufruct Letter (having Trust-captioned header statement). Note: keep copies of each bill and its USPS Form 3800. Place the self-adhesive strip on the very top of this form onto each bill, along with your personal embossed seal, to prove it is an original issue of a lawful money demand in order to prevent the "counterfeiting" of lawful money! This form also establishes evidence of confirmation of delivery of the June 5, 1933 HJR 192 public trust res.
    Using this IBR method eliminates the need to "make change", since each bill is PAID, "dollar for dollar", in accord with HJR 192!
    Last edited by doug555; 12-06-14 at 08:53 PM.

  4. #24
    You could try the modified W-4 form where no "employee" agreement is made.
    Last edited by JohnnyCash; 12-06-14 at 09:32 PM.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCash View Post
    You could try the modified W-4 form where no "employee" agreement is made.
    Can you point to one that is filled out. The cite above is a blank form.

    Also note Rock Anthony's post at post3972 for additional feedback.

    Personally, I do not mind if the "employee" has a contract, as long as 12 USC 411 is honored and the refund is generated accordingly, which it has been for me and for you as you've already attested to in recent posts.

    This "refund" is acting like a "savings account" for me... which I "withdraw" every February!
    Last edited by doug555; 12-06-14 at 10:24 PM.

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