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    Question "INCOME TAX - Shattering the Myths" by Dave Champion

    I just recently came across this dude on the internet. I found a link to his YouTube video via a Facebook discussion in which folks were arguing/discussing back and forth that Dave was wrong (trying to sell his book) VERSUS Dave was absolutely correct. I was curious to get feedback and thoughts from each of you (who is interested) about the information Dave shares (or partially shares).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9D9rMaKss
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    Quote Originally Posted by djlamb View Post
    I just recently came across this dude on the internet. I found a link to his YouTube video via a Facebook discussion in which folks were arguing/discussing back and forth that Dave was wrong (trying to sell his book) VERSUS Dave was absolutely correct. I was curious to get feedback and thoughts from each of you (who is interested) about the information Dave shares (or partially shares).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD9D9rMaKss

    Thank you DJ;

    I will get a look.

    I only glanced at the Introduction and got a grasp on Dave's attitude.

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    Then I took a look at the chat room chatter and saw where I was mentioned. This is refreshing that people have been interested enough to get a look into The Gospel of Pragmatism, even to determine it is my "religion". It took some work to get that organized like that, so the reader gets commentary too.

    About Dave CHAMPION;

    He may be onto a variation of redemption. Redemption is forgiveness. He comes off combatant, but that may be a publicity stunt - utilizing the tattoos and pointing pistols etc. The Doctrine seems to be that the Income Tax does not apply to you.

    If you endorse private credit from the Fed, then you are using a credit currency and are liable to be taxed. If you redeem lawful money then you are okay. I have been pondering how useful it would be to teach this lesson from the 16th Amendment (1916).

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
    "Incomes".

    Let me substitute into the Doctrine then:

    The Sixteenth Amendment does not apply to you.

    Imagine Dave as an inadvertent and unwitting agent provocateur. By that I mean that the reason the IRS never bothers him is he is a great cash cow. Like Pete HENDRICKSON with Cracking the Code. He wrote a book and now is sealed up in his error. Whenever somebody posted a Refund Check, great! When they wanted it taken down because the IRS was after that amount plus penalties and the taxpayer was headed for prison - Pete banishes them from Lost Horizons and just keeps advertising with their initial Refund Check. My point is that people following Dave's doctrine might be real easy targets for the IRS to clean their clock after a few years.

    Tim TURNER too. (Amicus Curie brief attached.) But Tim was an intelligence mill.

    However I want to think the best of Dave. So let's imagine that when the information stops and he begins to charge people to get the answers he is teaching them the same remedy provided by law. My video was mentioned:


    And apparently Dave is leaving it up. If he is redeeming lawful money, and maybe it is difficult to spot, then he is right. No need to be filing. I was redeeming lawful money in roundabout verbiage for six or seven years before discovering Title 12 USC 411.

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    That last one was revealing. You cannot exchange currency unless it is at a profit. Not intentionally. All banks have a fiduciary responsibility. That is the rub about FRN's - they are a losing proposition unless you are gaining more than the Congress is losing through growing the economy, by charging your brother usury. That is what banks do and it should be obvious that anybody endorsing private credit FRN's is a bank, and that is who the Fed Act is written for - "member banks".

    You get out of banking by making demand for redemption of the notes. Or as I have said many times, They in the Act is a pronoun. It might be that the Demand actually redeems people who make the Demand. That is one of the most comforting mental models for me, because it agrees with my interpretation of the Bible.

    From my perspective drafting remedy for hundreds of suitors if you endorse private credit you are using somebody else's credit and therefore your "income" is liable to the Income Tax as a usage tax on the Fed's currency. This however can be stated in many different ways. I like this "Naked" definition I accidentally captured from Black's Fifth:
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    What I have been saying, that may be contrary to Dave CHAMPION is that if you endorse private credit then the Fed is banking on your signature to grow the economy and guarantee "sustainable debt".

    So you can bet the Income Tax applies to you.



    Please post this back Crosstalk; to that thread on the chat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post

    Please post this back Crosstalk; to that thread on the chat.
    The image capture from Black's Law or all of your comments? Copy and paste it into that original thread on Facebook?

    Respectfully, Michael Joseph (nearby Charlotte, North Carolina)

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    Dave CHAMPION is a longtime Tax Protester Guru. I made it through the first 15 mins of the video and found nothing disagreeable but the OP's 14-page PDF of what appears to be a facebook discussion makes clear Dave is likely endorsing private credit of the FED. Oddly I cannot find that particular thread on CHAMPION's facebook page:
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    Yep. I suppose that he might deserve more time.

    With 125 suitors on the brain trust with fascinating discussion about how genome fits in with creation, I just have a hard time finding that time. CHAMPION is one of the gurus that I hear about, but never get around to listening to.

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    OK I think that 14-page discussion took place at a different Facebook page, Dave CHAMPION's personal FB page:
    https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100012541126523
    and you won't be able to see it unless you're one of his 444 FB friends. Furthermore you're unlikely to become his FB friend because his Settings do not allow everyone to send him "Friend Requests."

    DJ, is this you? https://www.facebook.com/michael.j.lamb.52
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    No. This account.

    https://www.facebook.com/Michael.LivingBeing

    Facebook friends with the following on social media:
    https://www.facebook.com/tao.law.5
    https://www.facebook.com/paulnrowe
    https://www.facebook.com/rneroni1

    I came across the post because I think Dave posted/shared on Tao's wall.

    If anyone is interested, these are some groups that I am in:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1048667898481584/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1570996436459323/
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/243668972484666/

    Each group offers a unique "twist" of truth and I have been combining all resources to get an overall, comprehensive perspective on what is really going on and focusing on real remedy.

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    Here is a direct link to the thread/post, if you want it.

    https://www.facebook.com/tao.law.5/p...26?pnref=story

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