View Poll Results: DOES THE 11TH AMENDMENT REFUTE SAVING TO SUITORS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTICONE View Post
    It is Also, Noteworthy, if you do take the time to Read Case Law pertaining to the 11th Amendment,
    A citizen can not BE a SUITOR AND SUE THE STATE HE IS A MEMBER OF.
    ONLY A STATE HAS STANDING TO BE SOVEREIGN OR HAVE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY.-- NOT HUMAN BEINGS.
    a HUMAN BEING CAN NOT BE A "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN- THAT ARGUMENT IS TIRED.
    READ THE LAW OF NATIONS AND THE UN CHARTER-- THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION WHO IS ALLOWED TO MAKE COMPACTS.
    I thought the whole point of Saving to Suitors was for people on the land to bring a cause of action against a foreign power coming from the sea in admiralty, not citizens suing their state or government?

    Why would a citizen sue a state using Saving To Suitors clause?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MYSTICONE View Post
    It is Also, Noteworthy, if you do take the time to Read Case Law pertaining to the 11th Amendment,
    A citizen can not BE a SUITOR AND SUE THE STATE HE IS A MEMBER OF.
    ONLY A STATE HAS STANDING TO BE SOVEREIGN OR HAVE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY.-- NOT HUMAN BEINGS.
    a HUMAN BEING CAN NOT BE A "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN- THAT ARGUMENT IS TIRED.
    READ THE LAW OF NATIONS AND THE UN CHARTER-- THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION WHO IS ALLOWED TO MAKE COMPACTS.
    You do know "sovereign citizen" is an oxymoron?

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    Now if the Senate is "adjourned until the President thinks proper" (to re-convene congress on such ExtraOrdinary Occassions...such as being in a perpetual state of War)....then pray tell....if Congress was "adjourned and removed by Lincoln"...then how did they "re-convene themselves when they are not actually sitting in Office"????????

    This is the Military Industrial Complex and you are a slave and you are under the Lieber Code and you were declaration, by Executive Order to be an Enemy of the State called United States. Is this getting through to you, DAVID? Is Congress is removed...they have no power and no seat. If they have no power and no seat...then they cannot "undo the Code"...any Code, or any Executive Order.

    Patrick Henry said...."your Prez will have the powers of a King". You are United States' State Benefits. You walk around with their Idents. How is it that you think that you have some "freedom"? Just because you walk around?

    You seem to keep looking for a way to disqualify what I say....or am I mistaken here?


    Article II - The Executive Branch Section 1 - The President
    The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice-President chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:
    The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.
    Section 2 - Civilian Power over Military, Cabinet, Pardon Power, Appointments
    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States,
    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, ... shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, ....The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.
    Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress
    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

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    ARE YOU A US CITIZEN OR A FOREIGN POWER, ARE YOU A CHATTEL? ARE YOU A MAN ON THE LAND?
    A resident, maybe an alien?

    A HUMAN BEING PERHAPS? HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND MAKE COMPACTS?
    DAVID MERRIL CAN MAKE COMPACTS--- david merrill cant not.
    DAVID MERRIL CAN SUE CORPORATIONS FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT,
    david merril, the human being can not contract.
    ONLY CORPORATE PERSONS CAN CONTRACT. THAT IS CONTRACT LAW.
    IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN, YOU CAN NOT TURN AROUND AND SUE DADDY " THE STATE
    FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT". YOU IDENTIFIED YOURSELF AS THE TRUST-
    NOW YOUR CONTRADICTING YOURSELF AND SAYING " OH NO DADDY GOVT, I AM NOT THE TRUST
    I AM THE HUMAN BEING, thus im SUING YOU AS A ARTICLE 3, EVEN THOUGH I AM NOT SIGNATORY
    TO THE CONSTITUTION, yOU WERE NOT ONE OF THE 39 SIGNERS- YOU ARE DISQUALIFIED FROM
    USING ARTICLE 3. HUMANS CAN NOT SUE THE STATE FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT- AND THATS WHAT THE LOR IS ATTEMPTING TO DUE,
    ONLY ENTITIES CAN SUE EACH OTHER.

    are you claiming to be "sovereign" because you are human being, thus you think
    you have pretened "immunities" ?

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    I can find no provision which associates the use of Lieber Code just for national emergencies, just because the national emergency ended at that time does not mean it no longer has effect today. Additionally the Lieber Code was adopted into the Geneva Convention and is recognized as a foundation of military conduct in the field.

    Article dated April 14, 2011 discusses one application of today:
    https://www.redcrossstlstore.org/New...ntainers/Basic
    It was actually directed toward a military occupation and unless you can convince me somehow that Lincoln's Army has pulled up stakes and left, it will continue to be referenced as in this modern day article.

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    your right, and as soon as the human being signs his name on
    anything as the authorized representative, he is now metamorphizing
    himself from the human to the "office of the person"
    authorized representative is a legal term, thus that denotes the end user
    of the " Person"--- AND THUS THROUGH THE USER AGREEMENT,
    YOU HAVE AGREED TO BECOME SURETY. you can not then
    turn around and then SUE THE STATE FOR COMPELLED CONTRACT
    UNDER ARTICLE 3, WHEN YOU WERE NOT SIGNATORY TO THE
    CONSTITUTION UNDER ARTICLE 3. SO THE HUMAN BEING
    HAS NO RIGHT TO CONTRACT UNDER ARTICLE 3 THAT HE WAS
    NOT A PARTY TOO.. the citizen has no land benefits, or common law
    benefits, when his user agreement is implicity Admirality Article 1 ...

    am i correct?

  7. #17
    Who is Anthony Joseph? He cannot "refuse" a True Bill....that is a debt of the United States; and the "debts of the United States shall not be questioned"; period.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourtee...s_Constitution
    Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

    A US prosecutor, State prosecutor that swore to the US, or Grand Jury that is sworn in as a public official (see 18 USC section 201) that returns an indictment with a TRUE BILL....has just produced a debt....a military infraction....and IT WILL NOT BE QUESTIONED.



    The answer is in wiki

    The Eleventh Amendment, the first amendment to the Constitution after the Bill of Rights, was adopted following the Supreme Court's ruling in Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 419 (1793). In Chisholm, the Court ruled that federal courts had the authority to hear cases in law and equity brought by private citizens against states and that states did not enjoy sovereign immunity from suits made by citizens of other states. Thus, the amendment clarified Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution, which gave diversity jurisdiction to the judiciary to hear cases "between a state and citizens of another state."

    This means that the U.S. and all the "states" have sovereign immunity over citizens.

    The amendment's text does not mention suits brought against a state by its own citizens. However, in Hans v. Louisiana, 134 U.S. 1 (1890), the Supreme Court ruled that the amendment reflects a broader principle of sovereign immunity. As Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for a five Justice majority, stated in Alden v. Maine, 527 U.S. 706 (1999):

    [S]overeign immunity derives not from the Eleventh Amendment but from the structure of the original Constitution itself....Nor can we conclude that the specific Article I powers delegated to Congress necessarily include, by virtue of the Necessary and Proper Clause or otherwise, the incidental authority to subject the States to private suits as a means of achieving objectives otherwise within the scope of the enumerated powers.[1]

    They were telling you here that the "Federal Government" controlled the decision as to whether or not the States could be sued by citizens. It was a given that the U.S. (federal) Government could not be sued by citizens or the States...because the States agreed to become Suzerains under the Powers of the President and US Congress, while sitting at the Seat of Government. "While sitting" means "as long as the President allows them to sit".

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    Yep, representing it is the act of memorializing a document, living man becomes dead man.

    MEMORIAL. A petition or representation made by one or more individuals to a legislative or other body. When such instrument is addressed to a court, it is called a petition.
    - 1856 Bouviers Dictionary

    Now check out Signatory as in Authorized Signatory and see what you come up with?

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    Who is MYSTICONE?

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    Are you the "grantor" or beneficiary of the Trust? No. Under Grantor-Grantee Law....take a wild guess as to who is in control. And, since it is "their Posterity" that are the trustees....if you screw with "their best interest"; then you are a bad trustee/grantee and considered by the Grantor and Beneficiaries to be an absconding debtor...and the Grantor will un-Grant your Granted Civil Rights and toss you in for being a bad Trustee/Cow/Slave.

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