Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 48

Thread: World Citizenship

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1

    World Citizenship

    Has anyone ever heard of a world citizenship passport?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Passport

  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Amaz View Post
    Has anyone ever heard of a world citizenship passport?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Passport



  3. #3

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    On the land known as Kansas
    Posts
    154
    I looked into these, but instead, I got the united States passport. I did, however, read the instructions with the application.

    The instructions and notices with the APP spell out if something on the app did not apply to me, to line them out and supply a written notice why.

    So, I struck out many things on the app, including anything about "US Citizen", put "reported" on the Date of Birth and all that.

    Also, with the Notices, I "Refused for Cause" several things (the parts about using the information for law enforcement, IRS, collections, etc etc. On the "no refund" part and NOTICED them the fees were being paid with redeemed lawful money and I would get a full refund should they refuse to supply a passport. I also gave a non-domestic address on the app with no zip code. And a separate C/O address for return mailing.

    All "0"s where is asked for SSN.

    I made copies of the application, the notices and returned the ones with my R4C with the app. I wrote a letter telling them I had no first hand information about the reported dates, places and other incidentals on the app and would not swear or affirm to any of them being true or factual.

    All without prejudice, signed in true name.

    I did this after reading another passport and seeing that nowhere did it say anything about a "US Citizen" (only citizen/national of the United States) and that the passport had an admonition from the Secretary of state to provide the bearer with "lawful protection and aid and not to delay", which I thought was okay with me.

    I clearly singed their new passport "NOT FOR ID" "ALL RIGHTS RESERVED" "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" By: True Name.

    I have Used it to travel out of the Nation without issue. One private security guy at an airport stated my added verbiage above my autograph "invalidated" the passport.

    I simply responded "Hmmmm." with a puzzled look on my face. He handed it back to me and I got on the airplane, no other agents said a word about it.

    A postal clerk asked me for ID to cash a postal money order. I told her I had a passport, she then asked for a Drivers License. I told her I was not driving and did not have one. I handed her the passport, she asked what the "Not for ID" meant, I told her "because I did not know where or when I was born." she said "Okay" and then cashed out the postal money order I had given her.

    I do not have a scanner, or I would scan the app with my amendments to it.

    David, have you traveled outside of the "country" with your world passport?

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by martin earl View Post
    I looked into these, but instead, I got the united States passport. I did, however, read the instructions with the application.

    The instructions and notices with the APP spell out if something on the app did not apply to me, to line them out and supply a written notice why.

    So, I struck out many things on the app, including anything about "US Citizen", put "reported" on the Date of Birth and all that.

    Also, with the Notices, I "Refused for Cause" several things (the parts about using the information for law enforcement, IRS, collections, etc etc. On the "no refund" part and NOTICED them the fees were being paid with redeemed lawful money and I would get a full refund should they refuse to supply a passport. I also gave a non-domestic address on the app with no zip code. And a separate C/O address for return mailing.

    All "0"s where is asked for SSN.

    I made copies of the application, the notices and returned the ones with my R4C with the app. I wrote a letter telling them I had no first hand information about the reported dates, places and other incidentals on the app and would not swear or affirm to any of them being true or factual.

    All without prejudice, signed in true name.

    I did this after reading another passport and seeing that nowhere did it say anything about a "US Citizen" (only citizen/national of the United States) and that the passport had an admonition from the Secretary of state to provide the bearer with "lawful protection and aid and not to delay", which I thought was okay with me.

    I clearly singed their new passport "NOT FOR ID" "ALL RIGHTS RESERVED" "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" By: True Name.

    I have Used it to travel out of the Nation without issue. One private security guy at an airport stated my added verbiage above my autograph "invalidated" the passport.

    I simply responded "Hmmmm." with a puzzled look on my face. He handed it back to me and I got on the airplane, no other agents said a word about it.

    A postal clerk asked me for ID to cash a postal money order. I told her I had a passport, she then asked for a Drivers License. I told her I was not driving and did not have one. I handed her the passport, she asked what the "Not for ID" meant, I told her "because I did not know where or when I was born." she said "Okay" and then cashed out the postal money order I had given her.

    I do not have a scanner, or I would scan the app with my amendments to it.

    David, have you traveled outside of the "country" with your world passport?
    Hi Martin...thanks for sharing your experience.

    Do you still have a copy of your app and amendments? If so, could we maybe encourage you to go to a Kinko/FedEx store where they have document scanners to scan your app/amendments and then display them here?....puhleez? ))

    I would sooooo like to emulate your success with a success of my own with a new passport.

    Big THANKS in advance for any/all effort.

    Hbert

  6. #6
    Senior Member Treefarmer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    in the woods known to some as Tanasi
    Posts
    476
    Quote Originally Posted by martin earl View Post
    I looked into these, but instead, I got the united States passport. I did, however, read the instructions with the application.

    The instructions and notices with the APP spell out if something on the app did not apply to me, to line them out and supply a written notice why.

    So, I struck out many things on the app, including anything about "US Citizen", put "reported" on the Date of Birth and all that.

    Also, with the Notices, I "Refused for Cause" several things (the parts about using the information for law enforcement, IRS, collections, etc etc. On the "no refund" part and NOTICED them the fees were being paid with redeemed lawful money and I would get a full refund should they refuse to supply a passport. I also gave a non-domestic address on the app with no zip code. And a separate C/O address for return mailing.

    All "0"s where is asked for SSN.

    I made copies of the application, the notices and returned the ones with my R4C with the app. I wrote a letter telling them I had no first hand information about the reported dates, places and other incidentals on the app and would not swear or affirm to any of them being true or factual.

    All without prejudice, signed in true name.

    I did this after reading another passport and seeing that nowhere did it say anything about a "US Citizen" (only citizen/national of the United States) and that the passport had an admonition from the Secretary of state to provide the bearer with "lawful protection and aid and not to delay", which I thought was okay with me.

    I clearly singed their new passport "NOT FOR ID" "ALL RIGHTS RESERVED" "WITHOUT PREJUDICE" By: True Name.

    I have Used it to travel out of the Nation without issue. One private security guy at an airport stated my added verbiage above my autograph "invalidated" the passport.

    I simply responded "Hmmmm." with a puzzled look on my face. He handed it back to me and I got on the airplane, no other agents said a word about it.

    A postal clerk asked me for ID to cash a postal money order. I told her I had a passport, she then asked for a Drivers License. I told her I was not driving and did not have one. I handed her the passport, she asked what the "Not for ID" meant, I told her "because I did not know where or when I was born." she said "Okay" and then cashed out the postal money order I had given her.

    I do not have a scanner, or I would scan the app with my amendments to it.

    David, have you traveled outside of the "country" with your world passport?
    Very interesting, thank you martin earl.
    I'm wondering, how did you handle the R4Cs?
    Did you file copies into your USDC case file?
    Treefarmer

    There is power in the blood of Jesus

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    On the land known as Kansas
    Posts
    154
    Quote Originally Posted by Treefarmer View Post
    Very interesting, thank you martin earl.
    I'm wondering, how did you handle the R4Cs?
    Did you file copies into your USDC case file?
    Right now, I just have copies in my own records. It is my intention to start filing them in a mic. case jacket. Right now, I am saving money for some actual 350 lawful money District Court suits (and becoming a suitor myself), so all my change is going to the piggy bank for those.

    Hbert, I will try to get some pictures of the Passport app with an Iphone and email them then post them here.

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by martin earl View Post
    Hbert, I will try to get some pictures of the Passport app with an Iphone and email them then post them here.
    m.e., that sounds great!

  9. #9
    I find myself in need of renewing my U.S. Passport before very long and am trying wrap my head around all of this. I have had one for decades but only recently entered into serious study. They seem to leave a lot out in "Civics" class. I certainly would like to see what Martin Earl submitted to the passport office.

    A slight digression: I have been redeeming lawful money for less then a year but did manage make my demand and to change my signature card at the bank some months ago. I simply made it clear to the bank worker that I wanted to follow the law and make sure I was redeeming "lawful money" pursuant to 12 USC 411. He said no problem and that has been the case. The tellers see my nice red stamp and signature, dba WORKING K DOG, deposit the lawful money and that has been the end of it for me.

    I know the "tax" issue is like peeling an onion so I'll just say that from what I can tell ONE of the lynch pins is that most folks sign a 1040 form without reading the jurat, which states very clearly that you are signing under "penalties of perjury". I can think of only one class of living souls who could be in that situation - someone who has knowingly taken an oath of office. In contrast, things like a passport application or an application for a "Social Security Number" have a singular "penalty of perjury". I did at one time work for the Federals but I gave that up many years ago. I am now simply a peaceful man. No doubt some in the Federal service may still make the presumption that I still work for them. I correct them as best I can. Presumption is a very big part of the game. Additionally, there is Admiralty....

    The research that David Merrill has done, along with the efforts of the StSC brain trust is greatly appreciated. I hope to be in a position to help as I become better educated and become a "Suitor" myself.

  10. #10
    As I mentioned in the previous post, I would like to renew “my” U.S. Passport for the sole purpose of international travel. As an experiment, I filled out the “renewal” form in the style of Martin Earl, as near as I could tell from his description (e.g. not for id, “0”’s for SSN, R4C most of their notices, etc.) I also included a letter, noticing them, as per the instructions on the particulars as indicated and also noting the fact that an error had been made in my original application many years ago, and asking them to correct my political status to a national of the United States for international travel purposes since I was born in a union State. I also noticed them that the funds associated with this renewal were being paid in redeemed lawful money pursuant to Title 12 U.S.C. 411. I signed in my true name but was also careful to use proper nouns for the names on the passport form. This obviously does not match the NAME on the old passport, which I provided to them as per the instructions.

    Two weeks after my submission, I received a response from the Passport Office that I found educational. They pointed out that the facts of my “birth” appear to entitle me to a U.S. Passport but that due to the 14th Amendment, I was “U.S. citizen”. They also objected to me striking out the “penalty of perjury” words in the “oath” and finally noted that all funds, expect those associated with “overnight delivery” are non refundable. The letter was unsigned and unattributed.

    I responded to the letter with some questions to clarify how the 14th Amendment related to me, and if they were content to maintain inaccurate records. I finished with another request for them to reissue the passport. I have now received yet another unsigned, unattributed letter from “customer service” saying that they will not process the request without a “new, un-altered” “application”. They specifically did not answer any of my questions.

    I am now contemplating my approach going forward. According to their letter I have 90 days but who really knows.

    On one hand I don’t mind exploring a bit more to see what I can learn as others may gain some value in that exercise. On the other hand, exploring may just be a waste of time with the “gatekeeper” who is not trustworthy enough to even provide their name.

    Interestingly, in some of my recent related research I have come across copies of passport applications from the early 1900’s, after the Federal Reserve Act but before the Social Security Act where men and women born in one of the union States were referred to as “a Native and Loyal Citizen of the United States” – NOT U.S. citizens. Even more interestingly, the applications are for “Commercial Travelers” with references to the “Trading with the Enemy Act”. I wonder what the deal is for “non-commercial travelers”. Folks at that time seemed to usually sign their name in proper English (First and Last)

    All thoughts appreciated!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •