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    On The Subject Of Private Credit

    All money is currency but not all currency is money

    Fiat Currency:

    Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, defines legal tender as "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

    Federal Reserve notes are legal tender currency notes. The twelve Federal Reserve Banks issue them into circulation pursuant to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. A commercial bank belonging to the Federal Reserve System can obtain Federal Reserve notes from the Federal Reserve Bank in its district whenever it wishes. It must pay for them in full, dollar for dollar, by drawing down its account with its district Federal Reserve Bank.

    Congress has specified that a Federal Reserve Bank must hold collateral equal in value to the Federal Reserve notes that the Bank receives. This collateral is chiefly gold certificates and United States securities. This provides backing for the note issue. The idea was that if the Congress dissolved the Federal Reserve System, the United States would take over the notes (liabilities). This would meet the requirements of Section 411, but the government would also take over the assets, which would be of equal value. Federal Reserve notes represent a first lien on all the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, and on the collateral specifically held against them.

    By law, Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) are money, a tightly controlled, tangible product with severe penalties for their unauthorized reproduction and if the Federal Reserve's (Fed) balance sheet is to be believed, there are about $920 billion accounted FRNs in circulation worldwide, the majority of which are held overseas.

    FRN's (a.k.a. Dollars) are the primary unit of account by which all public/private debt can be extinguished. They are also a medium of exchange and are assumed to be a store of wealth.


    Fractional Reserve Currency:

    Commercial banks do not create money as defined by law. They create a "money substitute" a.k.a. "book keeping money", a.k.a. "electronic digits", a.k.a. "Credit", a fractionalized derivative of the primary money, Federal Reserve Notes, that is measured in dollars. This practice is known as Fractional Reserve Banking (a practice that has been destroying economies, countries and lives for over 600 years).

    Credit dollars are a debt generated currency that is denominated by a unit of account (FRNs). Unlike money (by a strict definition), credit itself cannot act as a unit of account. However, many forms of credit can readily act as a medium of exchange. As such, various forms of credit are frequently referred to as money and are included in estimates of the money supply.

    Credit as currency is, quite simply, a promise to pay FRN's (dollars) upon demand as well as over time. The everyday physical representation of that promise is the debit/credit card, which is the hallmark of modern computerized, fractionalized, debt driven commercial/investment banking. Literally billions of dollars' worth of transactions are conducted in credit currency each and every day without any thought given to the un-fulfill-able promise that backs its use or the inevitable consequences of its failure.

    Our economy is totally dependent upon the continuing flow of digits, which necessitates the continued expansion of public/private debt as well as the continued expansion of assets and asset values, for its survival.

    Unlike FRNs, which are an obligation of the government, credit currency is not, thus the need for the FDIC, which is as "Federal" as the Federal Reserve, a congressionally chartered consortium of private banks, the FDIC is a congressionally chartered subsidiary of the Federal Reserve that is funded primarily by member banks with allowance to borrow from the Treasury. The objective of the FDIC is to re-digitize credited deposits (positive credit) that have reverted to their natural state of bank debt upon its failure. In other words; the FDIC's function is to keep the illusion of "credit is money", and the fractionally reserved banking system that issues and administers this "money substitute", alive.

    Credit currency has no legal standing as money but all debts incurred through its use are legally binding.

    Carl

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    Last edited by Carl; 05-06-11 at 03:14 PM.

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    Thank you for sharing Carl.


    Welcome!!

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    Thanks.

    I'm hoping, with your input, we could build a clearer picture of the realities surrounding the "monetary system".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    All money is currency but not all currency is money

    Fiat Currency:

    Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, defines legal tender as "United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues."

    Federal Reserve notes are legal tender currency notes. The twelve Federal Reserve Banks issue them into circulation pursuant to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. A commercial bank belonging to the Federal Reserve System can obtain Federal Reserve notes from the Federal Reserve Bank in its district whenever it wishes. It must pay for them in full, dollar for dollar, by drawing down its account with its district Federal Reserve Bank.

    Congress has specified that a Federal Reserve Bank must hold collateral equal in value to the Federal Reserve notes that the Bank receives. This collateral is chiefly gold certificates and United States securities. This provides backing for the note issue. The idea was that if the Congress dissolved the Federal Reserve System, the United States would take over the notes (liabilities). This would meet the requirements of Section 411, but the government would also take over the assets, which would be of equal value. Federal Reserve notes represent a first lien on all the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, and on the collateral specifically held against them.

    By law, Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) are money, a tightly controlled, tangible product with severe penalties for their unauthorized reproduction and if the Federal Reserve's (Fed) balance sheet is to be believed, there are about $920 billion accounted FRNs in circulation worldwide, the majority of which are held overseas.

    FRN's (a.k.a. Dollars) are the primary unit of account by which all public/private debt can be extinguished. They are also a medium of exchange and are assumed to be a store of wealth.


    Fractional Reserve Currency:

    Commercial banks do not create money as defined by law. They create a "money substitute" a.k.a. "book keeping money", a.k.a. "electronic digits", a.k.a. "Credit", a fractionalized derivative of the primary money, Federal Reserve Notes, that is measured in dollars. This practice is known as Fractional Reserve Banking (a practice that has been destroying economies, countries and lives for over 600 years).
    Credit dollars are a debt generated currency that is denominated by a unit of account (FRNs). Unlike money (by a strict definition), credit itself cannot act as a unit of account. However, many forms of credit can readily act as a medium of exchange. As such, various forms of credit are frequently referred to as money and are included in estimates of the money supply.

    Credit as currency is, quite simply, a promise to pay FRN's (dollars) upon demand as well as over time. The everyday physical representation of that promise is the debit/credit card, which is the hallmark of modern computerized, fractionalized, debt driven commercial/investment banking. Literally billions of dollars' worth of transactions are conducted in credit currency each and every day without any thought given to the un-fulfill-able promise that backs its use or the inevitable consequences of its failure.

    Our economy is totally dependent upon the continuing flow of digits, which necessitates the continued expansion of public/private debt as well as the continued expansion of assets and asset values, for its survival.

    Unlike FRNs, which are an obligation of the government, credit currency is not, thus the need for the FDIC, which is as "Federal" as the Federal Reserve, a congressionally chartered consortium of private banks, the FDIC is a congressionally chartered subsidiary of the Federal Reserve that is funded primarily by member banks with allowance to borrow from the Treasury. The objective of the FDIC is to re-digitize credited deposits (positive credit) that have reverted to their natural state of bank debt upon its failure. In other words; the FDIC's function is to keep the illusion of "credit is money", and the fractionally reserved banking system that issues and administers this "money substitute", alive.

    Credit currency has no legal standing as money but all debts incurred through its use are legally binding.

    Carl

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    Your post is to me, a work of art! It is really great to have you here. I have a couple comments.


    The idea was that if the Congress dissolved the Federal Reserve System, the United States would take over the notes (liabilities).
    In 1933 the charters expired and instead of dissolving the Fed, FDR saved it by opening up the endorsement contract to private citizens as if they are Fed Banks, but of course instead of 'giving' them FRNs, they would have to earn them the old fashioned way:


    I am excited over your comment because it has opened my eyes to a new way to explain it. That is what I find about our style - it that you just said the whole thing right there! Easy!

    Your commentary about credit currency is quite simply the reason that the Credit River Money Decision is an Attachment on every Libel of Review.

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    I woke up one morning and all the information that I've picked up over the years on this subject had crystallized into what I've presented here, unfortunately, it took me months to write it.

    When you think about it, we are using the electronic equivalent of the old Tally Stick as if it were money. When it comes to fractional reserved banking, it can truly be said; the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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    Thank you for sharing it, whatever;

    I am confident it is not the sum total - just an epiphany. I am marvelling at how you were able to articulate it to us.

    Stay the same?

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    No, not the sum total by a long shot. It's just that I'm neither a typist nor a writer and I'm really picky about the words I choose to use and insuring that they are presented within their proper context.


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    Someone should make a Venn diagram concerning all money is currency, but not all currency is money.

    A picture can say a thousand words .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl
    FRN's (a.k.a. Dollars) are the primary unit of account by which all public/private debt can be extinguished. They are also a medium of exchange and are assumed to be a store of wealth.
    I will take exception to this.

    FRNs are notes. Notes are debt instruments. Notes transfer title, but the debt remains. FRNs discharge debt in equity.

    Lawful tender extinguishes debt at law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl
    Fractional Reserve Currency:

    Commercial banks do not create money as defined by law. They create a "money substitute" a.k.a. "book keeping money", a.k.a. "electronic digits", a.k.a. "Credit", a fractionalized derivative of the primary money, Federal Reserve Notes, that is measured in dollars. This practice is known as Fractional Reserve Banking (a practice that has been destroying economies, countries and lives for over 600 years).
    This is similar to the concept of money of account vs. money of exchange.
    I got this information from some French treatise.... if anyone is interested, I can see if I can dig it up.

    If I follow, credit is money of account. FRNs are money of exchange.
    Last edited by shikamaru; 05-07-11 at 12:10 PM.

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