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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    One would have to consider the circumstances and be wise enough to know "what time it is" at any given moment. A key point to keep in mind is that: (i) not every public official has authority to receive things from the private side; (ii) not every public official has authority to take something from the public and hand it over to the private. It might help the reader to greatly comprehend that some transactions require both of those functions to occur simultaneously. Therefore if one is perceived as coaxing a public official to convert something from public to private without authority/license then one might be perceived to be involved in unlawful conversion! Some people want to get in a hizzy when it just comes down to simple principles.

    A reader might do well to consider the notion of taking a publicly-owned traffic light and putting it in their back yard in contrast, say, to the notion of the City Dept. of Traffic & Lights taking a reader's disco lights out of their basement and using them to light up a dark, public intersection. As in: converting from public to private vs converting from private to public.

    A Govt. Treasurer or Govt. Receiver likely would be of the few public officials that would have authority to convert something public to private or to convert something from private to public.



    When one is dealing with a public charge/tax situation, say for a bill that is worth $20 perhaps one could say that $20 is backed by the issuer of the bill and is backed by the person from which $20 is demanded should they accept. Would anything over $20 would have insufficient bonding if its only bonded from one side of the deal? Afterall, the bill suggests that the only thing the demander has authority to obtain is $20 and is only putting themselves at risk of $20. Also, if I were to cancel the $20 bill, how could I cancel it for more than its worth? As for introducing new money into a system, that is another matter--though likely related.

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    For further edification, consider something as infamous as "eminent domain". It might be helpful to note the relationship between eminent domain and a "Treasurer" of some sort. Gee..why would it involve a Treasurer rather than just cops with lot of guns?
    Yes, the lines between natural law and public policy are very blury sometimes, but there is some key words you mentioned there, " public good ". The old origination of public is publicus;

    Adjective

    pūblicus m (feminine pūblica, neuter pūblicum); first/second declension

    of or belonging to the people, State, or community
    public, general
    (substantive) a public officer, magistrate

    This shows you that it is suppose to be an upside down triangle so to speak, but depending on how people perceive it is how it is going to manifest in ones mind.
    Trying to claim a natural law right within an entity governed by public statutes can seem pretty self defeating. There is suppose to be public council meeting for such things in which there is , but today these public areas are no longer being held by a people, they are being held by the state in a usufructuary manner, the military conquered public domain, it says this in the United Nations law;

    Pertaining to rules of usufruct:

    Classification of property according to ownership
    1. public dominion, owned by the Government.

    When the old indian tribes inhabited this country they did not have paper, sometimes animal skins they wrote on but their official tribal documents were the totem poles, now if you look at each document birth, title, public decree, who's seal is at the tope of the document? Usually the state

    "And they painted on the grave posts
    Of the graves, yet unforgotten,
    Each his own ancestral totem
    Each the symbol of his household;
    Figures of the bear and reindeer,
    Of the turtle, crane, and beaver. --Longfellow.
    [1913 Webster]"

    Whether given as a gift or taken by force they are the beneficial owner to which has some pretty serious liabilities.
    I do not claim ownership of anything upon this earth for it is just a temporary place to inhabit which we should preserve for the next generation, when you claim the material things that is where they got you for lack of understanding that we are still under Military Occupation here. I try my best to stay away from taking commercial stock in things, we came from the land, we are part of the land, just like the gold and silver, not in commercial form but for it's natural resource for the benefit of the body such as using silver to assist in disinfecting water to make it drinkable and other uses untapped yet and not mentioned.
    The old indian philosophical cultures called all other living things their relatives, I believe the closer we get back to those traditions it will have a re-active effect and turn the tables of how we live today, already see some of that happening, courts getting less crowded, post offices closing, federal government eating each other up over fictitious deficits, it is a beautiful thing.

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    Unsure as to where the term 'public good' was utilized along the thread. Regarding 'military conquest' or 'martial law' or 'military rule' its rather widely known that 'military imperium' has a source.

    Regarding United Nations, such is a military and economic alliance similar to NATO.

    What does any of this have to do with 'natural law' when neither NATO nor the United Nations actually exist in nature?

    P.S. No offense but your post seems to make no sense in the context of the thread.
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