The Certificate of Live Birth is a Pledge Document

[Reigne]

I agree the BC is a 'registering/reporting' an event.

Without that 'event' occuring, you can't opt into SS, DL, etc. I am beginning to believe it IS a form of identification (whereas SS is NOT to be used as ID).
This is the conundrum I find myself in - IF the BC is actually a form of ID, then using it to obtain anything else would be a crime right? And if it is NOT a form of ID, then using it to obtain anything else would be a crime ... Is it possible to commit Identity Theft on oneself?

But then I found this today:
USC Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 1 Section 9
Vessel of the United States defined.
The term “vessel of the United States”, as used in this title, means a vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States, or any citizen thereof, or any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof.
(emphasis mine)
So now I'm back to the whole birth/berth thinking again ... however, a birth/berth is not the only way to become a US citizen (ie: naturalization - I'd really like to see the paperwork -front and back - that they fill out).

[Trust Guy]

Off subject , but interesting . There is emphasis in the original not transferred with these snips .

I’m recently led to understand TITLE 18—CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE was never properly voted out by the Senate . House , yes . Wonder if my source is correct . Might be interesting to find out .

This history outline from the Law Librarians' Society of Washington, D.C.- pdf - 6 pgs, 34.0 KB : United States Code: Historical Outline and Explanatory Notes - Prepared by Richard J. McKinney, Assistant Law Librarian, Federal Reserve Board, for Law Librarians' Society Program, November 9, 2004
Last Revised in June 2011

6) In 1919, Col. E. C. Little, Chairman of the House Committee on the Revision of Laws began the work to codify U.S. law, appointing Prof. William Burdick of Kansas as Reviser. Others aided.

7) The completed work was introduced as H.R. 9389 (60 titles) in the 66th Congress and passed the House on Dec. 20, 1920 (60 Cong. Rec. 571-574). Bill died in Senate. (s.a. H. Rept. 781, 2 pts.).

8) Bill reintroduced with corrections in the 67th Congress as H.R. 12 and it passed the House unanimously on May 16, 1921 (61 Cong. Rec. 1479), but again it died in the Senate after being debated in the House and Senate (64 Cong. Rec. 2084, 2090, 2846, 3137, 5019, 5087-5102; H. Rep. 68).

9) The bill, with an updated supplement, was reintroduced in the 68th Congress as H.R. 12 and unanimously passed the House on January 7, 1924 (65 Cong. Rec. 643, H. Rept. 2). It was referred to the Senate Committee on the Revision of the Laws where it was reported unfavorably on the grounds that it contained some 600 errors, omissions, and inaccuracies. Instead the Committee reported S.J. Res. 141 (S. Rept. 722), to establish a commission to revise laws. It passed the Senate (66 Cong. Rec. 3800) and was reported from House Committee (H. Rept. 1573) w amdts.

10) The two revision committees then employed staff members at West Publishing Co. and Edward Thompson Co. to do the work of codification using Little's work (60 titles) as a basis and checking with experts in law and government departments (see 67 Cong. Rec. 7787; H. Rept. 69-900).

11) In the 69th Congress, the new Code (laws in force as of Dec. 7, 1925) introduced as H.R. 10000 (50 titles), reported by the Committee (H. Rept. 900), debated and passed the House on Apr. 19, 1926 (67 Cong. Rec. 7787-7793) to be prima facie law until July 1, 1927. The Senate Committee reported it (S. Rept. 832). It was debated, amended and passed by the Senate (67 Cong. Rec. 9737, 10403, 10478, 10480, 11799, 11963, 11971) as prima facie evidence only. House concurred (67 Cong. Rec. 12076) and was signed by President on June 30, 1926 (44 Stat. pt. 1, Public No. 440).

12) The Code enacted no new law (not really), repealed no prior law and in cases of inconsistency the statutes were to prevail. However, like the Revised Statutes, which was enacted into positive law, the Code is to encompass the general and permanent laws authored by Congress (not private and local matters, nor annual appropriations). Some 537 errors were later found; 88 of them errors of substance. See H. Rept. 70-1706 to accompany H.R. 13622, a bill to provide Supplement I volume to Code (act of May 29, 1928, ch. 911, 45 Stat. 1008).

[EZrhythm]

The birth event may occur for each registration but it is the NAME that is the property they want and the NAME that is pledged for their use. The state holds the original pledge document but only as a facsimile since the original wet ink copy isn't required for their use.
There is no account attached until the SSN is created.
The BC is not used as an ID, it is certification that the pledge was made.

[Darkcrusade]

I agree the BC is a 'registering/reporting' an event.

Without that 'event' occuring, you can't opt into SS, DL, etc. I am beginning to believe it IS a form of identification (whereas SS is NOT to be used as ID).
This is the conundrum I find myself in - IF the BC is actually a form of ID, then using it to obtain anything else would be a crime right? And if it is NOT a form of ID, then using it to obtain anything else would be a crime ... Is it possible to commit Identity Theft on oneself?

But then I found this today:
USC Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 1 Section 9
Vessel of the United States defined.
The term “vessel of the United States”, as used in this title, means a vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States, or any citizen thereof, or any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States, or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof.
(emphasis mine)
So now I'm back to the whole birth/berth thinking again ... however, a birth/berth is not the only way to become a US citizen (ie: naturalization - I'd really like to see the paperwork -front and back - that they fill out).

I think you have found the bloodtrail. when a ship goes down at sea,they re-port that ''30 souls were lost at sea'' or '' 100 souls lost'' &c. Which correlates with Rev 18:13 The merchants traffic,in mens souls.

Is the vessel a ship with soul(s) are you a vessel with a soul?

vessel: [ˈvɛsəl]n


1. any object used as a container, esp for a liquid
2. (Transport / Nautical Terms) a passenger or freight-carrying ship, boat, etc.
3. (Engineering / Aeronautics) an aircraft, esp an airship
4. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Anatomy) Anatomy a tubular structure that transports such body fluids as blood and lymph
5. (Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Botany) Botany a tubular element of xylem tissue consisting of a row of cells in which the connecting cell walls have broken down
6. a person regarded as an agent or vehicle for some purpose or quality- she was the vessel of the Lord

[from Old French vaissel, from Late Latin vascellum urn, from Latin vās vessel]
For we are all vessels upon our sea of commerce, in fact, every item you see or imagine can be a vessel. Your contracts are vessels too, as they carry goods from one port to the next.

The beast that comes out of the sea and stomps upon the dry land,admiralty\maritime
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