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    31 USC 5103
    " United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts. "

    31 USC 5119
    " the redemption may be made only in gold bullion bearing the stamp of a United States mint or assay office in an amount equal at the time of redemption to the currency presented for redemption. "

    Do you see the consecutive like minded rules here ? If it does not have a seal of the united states when exchanged it is not considered a payment on debt. So therefore there is only illusion that debts are being paid for when this should be telling you it don't matter where the ink and paper comes from as long as it bears that seal or the product and service that is licensed by that government or an associate government such as one of the several states.
    The same goes for donations to help foreign people in other countries, I doubt you could just send money directly to a family in a foreign country and get a tax break on it, it has to go through a U,S. Corporation, foundation or association to be able to get that tax break.
    It could be possible though i guess but you probably get audited later for it if your in the position of acting like a taxpayer filing, wanting a benefit.

    Goes back to my explanation of a petty cash box per say in the Treasury of the United States. Accounting books must be balanced at the end of the day or quarter however the entity is setup.
    Last edited by motla68; 11-25-11 at 07:18 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    3Goes back to my explanation of a petty cash box per say in the Treasury of the United States. Accounting books must be balanced at the end of the day or quarter however the entity is setup.
    And inhibition or permission to do the accounting to balance can have value ("value exchange"). A check or draft is really just an order to do accounting: (A) pay/credit the account of A ... by... (B) charging/debiting the account of B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    And inhibition or permission to do the accounting to balance can have value ("value exchange"). A check or draft is really just an order to do accounting: (A) pay/credit the account of A ... by... (B) charging/debiting the account of B.
    Is one bound to a seal without consent?

    And where does value come from? From the eyes of the people, an a distinction between a monetary value or a equitable value, the receipts therefrom the same.
    You can link all that back to the minds of man again, the state between ones ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    Is one bound to a seal without consent?

    And where does value come from? From the eyes of the people, an a distinction between a monetary value or a equitable value, the receipts therefrom the same.
    You can link all that back to the minds of man again, the state between ones ears.
    Circular arguments or wild goose chases .. exactly .. context matters. It depends on who you are dealing with it... who you are who "they" are. Your mailbox being empty of that magazine for more than 30 days might have a meaning different than if you were a subscriber. What is "the people"? What "people"? What is "people"? According to "whom"? Obviously context depends. And its obvious that primary being discussed are those who are interacting with a "system" or a "game" or a "forum" called "the United States". "Pay" and "value" are wide open to discussion, and study. A "dollar" in some regards might not be much much different than a "pound" or a "dozen" its a unit of measurement. "five pounds" ... "five dollars" (accounting tallies).. "five hen's teeth". Context matters. A "charge" has been defined as a given quantity of ..something. Liabilities are widely held to be "negative assets".

    Re: seals and signatures in some contexts thin ice might separate ..if there is any separation.
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    Yes, all alleged probabilities. Did John Hancock sign the constitution? how would you know if you were not there to see it happen, it is alleged hearsay. Alleged, measurement, alleged accounting.

    Equity maxim: " He who comes into equity must come with clean hands. " , a negative does not always admit of the simple and direct proof of which an affirmative is capable.
    Equity maxim: " Where there is equal equity, the law shall prevail " If your going to bring it then it better be in equality, so that you earn respect in that courtroom. Let go of the credit/debit system.
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    be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    Yes, all alleged probabilities. Did John Hancock sign the constitution? how would you know if you were not there to see it happen, it is alleged hearsay. Alleged, measurement, alleged accounting.

    Equity maxim: " He who comes into equity must come with clean hands. " , a negative does not always admit of the simple and direct proof of which an affirmative is capable.
    Equity maxim: " Where there is equal equity, the law shall prevail " If your going to bring it then it better be in equality, so that you earn respect in that courtroom. Let go of the credit/debit system.
    There is such a thing called "preaching to the choir". People have bugged me because I dont have a last name or "State ID". So I've asked them questions about whether they knew when they were born and exactly where. If they could name who was there and describe their faces. Then I recount the many folks that I know that have multiple birth certificates or grew up only to find that they were "born" 3 years later or earlier than the birth certificate showed or the like. But they are willing to make sworn statements concerning what amounts to hearsay.

    Not to mention this stunning question: "So, did they check George III's photo ID when he signed such and such a treaty?" Did "Queen Isabella of Spain have photo ID?" Did George III have a last name? Does UK's Queen Elizabeth have a last name? Isn't it puzzling that they expect State ID allegedly in enforcement of treaties and laws founded upon documents written by folks who didn't have photo ID or even whose existence we not be able to actually prove? What is even more interesting however, is bringing someone to realize that:

    [1] "they" tell you all kinds of things ***** WITHOUT**** providing you a single affidavit [from lawyers to doctors to politicians to 'preachers'] {However perhaps we ought not discount their oaths of office, employment applications (often oath of office can be on a govt. job application itself, bar cards, degrees, tax forms, etc.}
    [2] for most EVERYTHING they expect an affidavit or certificate under penalties of perjury or a sworn statement or declaration with penalties for making a false declaration.

    Now why is it a school teacher can tell you that the sky was painted blue by Ook Mook the Polar Sky King without a sworn statement and you are "supposed" to believe it but ... yet a sworn statement is expected from you just to get a State-issued potato peeler?

    When you go to the attorney, how about having him swear out his competence concerning a matter? But see, that is maybe why there is such a thing as insurance. How about this for fairness: [1] You get a flaky, so-so insurance policy to safeguard you from injuries sustained by you for relying on unfounded or questionable statements or on outright lies; [2] they get a sworn statement and a hook in your arse to throw you in prison if you lie? They are willing to give you tree shavings if they screw up but they want your body if you do? Want to sign up for that plan?
    Last edited by allodial; 11-26-11 at 08:01 PM.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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