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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Perhaps its more of a matter of faith in productivity on the public side vs faith in the private side as the source?

    That makes sense to me but maybe for the wrong reasons.

    T-Mobile has been calling again.

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    On the microcosm though I got two more calls recently regarding changing my cell phone plan. T-Mobile has been badgering me to change from Flex-Pay to Post-Pay. I have been round and round because as soon as I request credit – post payments – they want private information from me like SSN. Well this has not been going well except for that months now, my R4C’s have left T-Mobile where they started, me with my Flex-Pay account. A very persistent saleslady was badgering me again and we were getting all set up for me to be transferred to the Post-Pay specialist and I asked if they would want my SSN? Yes. I don’t have one! This time; guess what? They have brand new Pre-Pay/no questions asked plans. For less money I get unlimited everything!



    Next they wrangled me into the agreement before informing me I would get a text, my phone would be shut down and I would have to pay $50 to get my phone shut back on. I informed the specialist that it would be in cash – Fine. I was figuring for having to show ID and give all the credit information and update my new Pre-Pay account. I was dreading that. I do not want my phone shut off or to deal with a check refund since my name is Bogus FAMILY to T-Mobile. So I braced myself for a big principle brawl and went in with my $50 and handed it over. Well the sales tech put it on my still-extant Flex-Pay account and my phone still did not work. Then he figured it out from me showing him the Text and did a PostVoid transaction and required a signature.


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    I gave up contract phones many years ago, they will nickel and dime you to death on gotcha fees. Seen a recent commercial on television is passing of a mobile pre-paid commercial, someone gets locked in a jail cell and the jailor says will see you n 2 years. Sounds about right.
    Started with trackfone, went to straight talk, by the way both of them using the Verizon Network, recently got my son one for page plus communications, has not been long enough yet to give any kind of review yet though on that one. Straight talk just came out with a android phone, have yet to give it a test run, you can only use it on the unlimited plan or above though.
    Most of these prepaid services now have extended plans, 3 months, 6 months or 1 year so you do not have to go fill up every month.

    It is worth converting over to stay out of the debtor system for phone service anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    T-Mobile has been calling again...

    I have been round and round because as soon as I request credit – post payments – they want private information from me like SSN. Well this has not been going well except for that months now, my R4C’s have left T-Mobile where they started, me with my Flex-Pay account. A very persistent saleslady was badgering me again and we were getting all set up for me to be transferred to the Post-Pay specialist and I asked if they would want my SSN? Yes. I don’t have one!
    David,
    Regarding your (I mean THEIR) SSN:

    Do you still have the number you were originally assigned, and just choose not to use it?

    OR

    Did you get rid of the SSN/Account altogether?

    If the latter, how did you go about dumping it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Life's-a-Psyop View Post
    David,
    Regarding your (I mean THEIR) SSN:

    Do you still have the number you were originally assigned, and just choose not to use it?

    OR

    Did you get rid of the SSN/Account altogether?

    If the latter, how did you go about dumping it?
    I do not have a Social Security Number.

    Think about it.

  5. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I do not have a Social Security Number.

    Think about it.
    So you might appreciate this... this goes back about 2 or 3 years ago. There was an office leasing company that changed management. The guy that ran things before he was savvy about taking tax credits (*ahem*) to pay the leases. However, they went under a management change or something and now... check this out. I went through all the ropes about renting an office, I told the new chic that I wanted to get a total in writing for the entire with their estimates of monthly fees/credits for additional services, damages, use of shared materials, etc--that I intended to prepay. She told me pretty much the following:

    ITS HARDER FOR US IF YOU PREPAY!
    She said it had something to do with the "home office" or something from what I recall. The gist was that they preferred to have a credit card number to bill each month than to have all $8K or so for the year. Consider how security deposits are accounted for in a program like Quickbooks (Quickbooks actually obscures accounting principles for the 'average Joe'). Prepay means they are owing you. Postpay means you are owing them. Prepay means they have an asset in their hand that triggers a liability to you. Postpay maybe means vice-versa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    So you might appreciate this... this goes back about 2 or 3 years ago. There was an office leasing company that changed management. The guy that ran things before he was savvy about taking tax credits (*ahem*) to pay the leases. However, they went under a management change or something and now... check this out. I went through all the ropes about renting an office, I told the new chic that I wanted to get a total in writing for the entire with their estimates of monthly fees/credits for additional services, damages, use of shared materials, etc--that I intended to prepay. She told me pretty much the following:



    She said it had something to do with the "home office" or something from what I recall. The gist was that they preferred to have a credit card number to bill each month than to have all $8K or so for the year. Consider how security deposits are accounted for in a program like Quickbooks (Quickbooks actually obscures accounting principles for the 'average Joe'). Prepay means they are owing you. Postpay means you are owing them. Prepay means they have an asset in their hand that triggers a liability to you. Postpay maybe means vice-versa?
    You cannot pay anything because it is already paid for, all you can do is exchange one for the other. The states convert your labor hours to debt entries so you can go exchange for credit entries.
    You go exchange for goods and services the receipt is the credit, it is backed by substance.. think about it. A receipt then can becomes true lawful money and can be used in credit swapping.
    Bankers and brokers call this a Credit Default swap, IRS also has a procedure called Notional Principal Contracts. Prepay then becomes a remarkable tool to learn new tricks with.
    "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to
    be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

    ~ Morpheus / The Matrix movie trilogy.

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    Yep. Like that signature of mine above. Lawful Money. If they were giving me credit then they would say, Hey! Give us your legal name! Do you expect us to trust some clown who signs his name Lawful Money?

    Allodial;

    I am following what you are saying but what is obvious to me is that they owe you an office space of your selection for the entire year ahead. Why that makes it difficult for them, that is a little less obvious to me.

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    But do you have an Oath of Office or Appointment of duty to take on the Office of Person? Taking on an office without the permission of the occupying Armed forces puts you in a position of Trustee De Son Tort Furthermore your violating biblical policy; Mark 12:14 " And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth:"
    "You have to understand Neo, most of these people are not ready to
    be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

    ~ Morpheus / The Matrix movie trilogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    But do you have an Oath of Office or Appointment of duty to take on the Office of Person? Taking on an office without the permission of the occupying Armed forces puts you in a position of Trustee De Son Tort Furthermore your violating biblical policy; Mark 12:14 " And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth:"
    That is probably why I made up a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    .....Trustee De Son Tort....
    Au contrare, as an Heir come-of-age the "trustee/executor de son tort" term is inapplicable. The occupying power and the attorney of the State would be in that position for meddling with my stuff. The occupying power gets its imperium from *ahem* somewhere--they don't just have magical, automatic, fairy-dust sprinkled military authority without having a source of such military authority (aka imperium). So, positively and encouragingly: your perspective might need some well-rounding. Furthermore, having a public hazard or fidelity bond in place is probably a more important consideration.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    That is probably why I made up a person.
    Thus the concept of "intermediary". One can use a "trust" or an "entity" with an EIN as an intermediary.

    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    You cannot pay anything because it is already paid for....
    Ever notice a lack of a solid definition of "pay" in the UCC or the like? What some folks do not get that in the current economic system, you CAN pay by authorizing debits, credits or setoffs...approving/doing the accounting. If you block the accounting and want to remove something from the public, its called stealing. Therefore one can "pay" in a sense of value transfer. Depends on what you/they mean by "pay". The term has a specific meaning in a specific context.

    Also, when one provides labor to "the System" one is providing an asset which results in credit entry showing liability to the person providing the labor. A debit to an asset account increases it. Labor Co.'s receipt of an asset would be a debit to their asset account with a corresponding credit to the liability account to the worker. The payroll check would be Labor Co.'s evidence of liability to the worker. How the worker handles that payroll check might affect to the income tax issue.
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