A regular deposit of lawful money.

[allodial]

That is perfect!

However if you ever sit down to play a game of Chess with someone it might just be a good idea to make it known up front (or at some point along the way) that for you, say, a "knight piece" gets to do anything that a "Queen piece" gets to do. The flag flying on a bank's parking lot in the bank's lobby is intended to be a notice to you from them as to the 'rules' they are 'playing' by. As far as THEY are concerned, you have been given notice. Did you give them notice?

[RThomas]

However if you ever sit down to play a game of Chess with someone it might just be a good idea to make it known up front (or at some point along the way) that for you, say, a "knight piece" gets to do anything that a "Queen piece" gets to do. The flag flying on a bank's parking lot in the bank's lobby is intended to be a notice to you from them as to the 'rules' they are 'playing' by. As far as THEY are concerned, you have been given notice. Did you give them notice?

This one sees endorsement as a jurisdictional ‘notice’. That is the substance of this thread. This one is seeking to perfect that. This one sees their rules as their rules for them. The rules between them and this one would be in the agreements signed at the opening of any account and any subsequent novation via endorsement.

RThomas

[allodial]

This one sees endorsement as a jurisdictional ‘notice’. That is the substance of this thread. This one is seeking to perfect that. This one sees their rules as their rules for them. The rules between them and this one would be in the agreements signed at the opening of any account and any subsequent novation via endorsement.

RThomas

If, for example "U.S. citizen" means to Bob a sovereign among sovereigns, one of the posterity of the sovereign people which established The United States of America then Bob might do well to make, say, a certificate of facts as to that meaning. I know someone that when the established a bank account for a company they gave the 'bank officer' a letter indicating their intent and that also included a reservation of rights. If you have an interpretation of the terms of the bank agreement, it might help to make your interpretation known to them by notice.

[allodial]

The teller would say, this is not the signature on your Signature Card and I would say, Let me correct the Signature Card.

At one point does staffing police departments and bank lobbies with incompetents indoctrinated with fluff become a crime?

[Rock Anthony]

Rock Anthony,

This one will rephrase the matter with direct questions. Obviously this is an internet forum and not a deposition. In a deposition, bankers and attorneys could be forced to answer with a yes or a no. They would not be able to give circular answers that may appear to answer but, in fact do not. They can be easily cornered into a box surrounded by their own words. This one does not know you and is not implying that you are an attorney or a banker. This one is merely seeking to see the foundation for your claims.

Do you agree that the Federal reserve banks were created by the ‘United States’?

Do you agree that the creator has the paramount right to declare the ‘law’ over their creation?

Is Title 12 § 411 a law for banks?

Are you a bank?

Are FRN’s for Federal reserve banks/agents and for no other purpose?

Are FRN’s already bonded by the statement of obligation in Title 12 § 411?

Who do you see as bonding FRN’s as meant by the statement in Title 12 § 411?

Does your endorsement/non-endorsement trump the first and paramount lien on FRN’s as stated in Title 12 § 414?

If yes to the last question, what is your physical proof?

In contract law concerning offer and acceptance, does your last act trump all prior acts?

At the end of the day was your last act to physically accept FRN’s?

You say you are convinced, does this mean you are acting based on a belief?

Thank you in advance for your time.

RThomas

You're dishing out the homework assignments. I'll try not to get a failing grade.

I'll respond to your points later on today this week. Thanks, RThomas.

[RThomas]

You're dishing out the homework assignments. I'll try not to get a failing grade.

I'll respond to your points later on today this week. Thanks, RThomas.

Thank you for your notice. Life is paramount over this forum, and this one sees that. In the interim, this one will continue to add this ones thoughts and findings to this thread. This one will still await your truths as you see them at a later time. This one sees that one who is awake is one with a dynamic mind (i.e. one that sees all possibilities) and not of a static mind subjected to and externally made final by any external declaration of another’s projected truth.

In the search for truth, the first and paramount goal is the truth. All else, and any one else becomes secondary. If you do not have the time I will wait patiently. From this ones reading of this forum and others, you appear to be a follower of David’s thoughts. As David is seen as a prominent member (if not the actual administrator) of this forum, this one will accept answers from David in your stead, if David is up to clarifying such claims. This one is merely seeking to see the foundation for them.

RThomas

[Anthony Joseph]

FRNs have a dual character and capacity; they function as US Notes which are NOT a reserve currency and are WITHOUT the scope of the Federal Reserve Banks, Districts, "laws" and regulations.

Remedy from private credit was written into the original Federal Reserve Act of 1913 Section 16 now codified at Title 12 U.S.C. §411. Remedy from private credit was obviously REQUIRED by the writers and enactors of this law since the voluntary compliance and agreement of the people was a necessity in order to avoid culpability of treason and enslavement via debt. FDR needed to "persuade" the people to deposit their checks into "new accounts" to be "held in trust" in order to save the Federal Reserve Bank's expiring charter and to avoid complete failure, defualt and bankruptcy of the United States of America.

Demanding and applying remedy pursuant to the FED ACT of 1913 and 12USC411 is AVOIDANCE of obligation and liability according to the laws governing FED Banks. What a demander or redeemer of lawful money receives or holds are US Notes in the form of FRNs which renders said demander/redeemer exempt and immune from the laws governing the Federal Reserve System. The paper has dual use and dual character; one is the private currency of a federal reserve banker the other is public currency held and used by a man or woman who is absent that capacity and character.

[RThomas]

Anthony Joseph,

I see nothing in ‘their’ codes or statutes that support what you are saying. What you are projecting requires one to stretch one’s imagination and believe you. This one will not cast off one image to merely accept another. Please show in ‘their’ codes and statutes support for your claim.

Here is what this one sees:

Title 12 § 411

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board
of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making
advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as
hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said
notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable
by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all
taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful
money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the
city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve
bank.


This one sees that they are to be issued to Federal reserve banks through Federal reserve agents.

This one sees Federal reserve notes shall be received by national banks, member banks, and Federal reserve banks.

What this one does not see is the words everyone, every person, natural person, or US citizen.

This one does not see the words public debt, private debt, or even just debt.

Now from Title 31 § 5103:

Sec. 5103. Legal tender

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes
and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are
legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign
gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.

The phrase (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks), is a parenthetical. A Parenthetical is extraneous matter and incidental to the main subject matter. A parenthetical is de-emphasized and can be removed without affecting the main subject matter. This is from Bryan Garner’s Redbook. Thus only U.S. coins and currency are declared as legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.


RThomas

[Anthony Joseph]

Anthony Joseph,

I see nothing in ‘their’ codes or statutes that support what you are saying. What you are projecting requires one to stretch one’s imagination and believe you. This one will not cast off one image to merely accept another. Please show in ‘their’ codes and statutes support for your claim.

Here is what this one sees:

Title 12 § 411

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board
of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making
advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as
hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said
notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable
by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all
taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful
money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the
city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve
bank.


This one sees that they are to be issued to Federal reserve banks through Federal reserve agents.

This one sees Federal reserve notes shall be received by national banks, member banks, and Federal reserve banks.

What this one does not see is the words everyone, every person, natural person, or US citizen.

This one does not see the words public debt, private debt, or even just debt.

Now from Title 31 § 5103:

Sec. 5103. Legal tender

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes
and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are
legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign
gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.

The phrase (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks), is a parenthetical. A Parenthetical is extraneous matter and incidental to the main subject matter. A parenthetical is de-emphasized and can be removed without affecting the main subject matter. This is from Bryan Garner’s Redbook. Thus only U.S. coins and currency are declared as legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.


RThomas

Please explain then what you determine the line: "They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank" means to you.

[RThomas]

Please explain then what you determine the line: "They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank" means to you.

To this one it means absolutely nothing. This one sees it as irrelevant. This one is not a Federal reserve bank, a member of the Federal reserve system, or a Federal reserve agent. This one is questioning how these entities can get away with using Federal reserve notes beyond the purpose as clearly stated and finalized with “and for no other purpose.” Can you show where in 12 § 411 or elsewhere in the code that there is any statement that this section applies to this one or an average Joe Sixpack?

Thank you for your time.

RThomas