Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
You might see some more simplification coming to light when you just start calling instruments for what they are, i.e. SSN is property of the SSA, Birth Certificate is Property of the State, Drivers license is property of the state. So the next time a government agent asks you for any of these things state the condition of which you are offering the instrument at least verbally, " this is property of the state and if your looking for a benefit from the state take this instrument". You will get some kodak moments of facial expressions when you do this.
I recently had the opportunity to try this out.
I was traveling in an old mini-van which I had bought with lawful money many years ago and which I keep up with my labor and a regular infusion of parts, but which is branded with a TENNESSEE license plate nevertheless.
I was on the great Plains somewhere in the mid-west late at night, pumping gas at a gas station which was closed but had left the pumps open for business with credit and debit cards.
I was the only one there as far as I could tell. The gas station had one light which was the only light in the area.
I saw a house about 200 yards away that had no lights on. I could not see what else was in the neighborhood, if anything.

I pumped gas using a debit card and because I was tired I decided to take a nap right there in my van.
I don't know how long it was after I dozed off, when I awoke from a cop knocking on my window and shining a light on me.
He demanded to see a DL from me.
I had the STATE OF TENNESSEE DL clipped to a sun visor pocket above the driver seat.
The driver door window was rolled down about 3 inches at the time.
I moved from the floor in the back where I was laying into the front of the van between the seats and flipped the visor against the window where the cop was so he could see it.
I told him that the STATE OF TENNESSEE issues such things (as a DL) and that if he desired this benefit he should go ahead and take it.
He said that he could not read it nor reach it there so I got the ignition key out of my pocket and turned the lock cylinder far enough for the power to come on, and then rolled the power window down another 8 inches or so.
At this point the cop was able to reach the DL in the visor pocket and he took it with him to his patrol car.

I laid back down in my nap spot.
The cop spent some time with that DL, perhaps 8 to 10 minutes.
This DL has a squeaky clean record attached to it.
When the cop came back he knocked on the window again and I got up again and kneeled on the floor of the van between the seats.
He put the DL back where he found it.

I asked him if he knew of a good place for taking a nap in the area.
He said that the gas station was as good a place as any, unless the owner showed up and asked me to leave. He added that he thought this was unlikely.
I told him that in this case I would continue to take my nap there. We wished each other a good night.

I power napped maybe 25 more minutes, which refreshed me enough so that I could return to traveling on the Interstate highway.

I look forward to exploring this concept further, as opportunities arise.