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    A civilian under international humanitarian law (also known as the laws of war) is a person who is not a member of his or her country's armed forces or other militia. Civilians are distinct from combatants. They are afforded a degree of legal protection from the effects of war and military occupation. The term "civilian" is also often used metaphorically to refer to people who are not members of a particular profession or occupation, especially by civilian law enforcement agencies, which often adopt rank structures emulating those of military units. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian

    Blacks Law 6th.
    CIVILIAN

    Civilian. Private citizen, as distinguished from such as belong to the armed services, or (in England) the church. One who is skilled or versed in the civil law.

    Civilis Civil, as distinguished from criminal.

    Civilis a civil action.

    Civilista In old English law, a civil lawyer, or civilian.

    Civiliter Civilly. In a person's civil character or position, or by civil (not criminal) process or procedure. This term is used in distinction or opposition to the word "criminaliter, " -criminally,-to distinguish civil actions from criminal prosecutions.

    Civiliter mortuus

    Civilly dead; dead in the view of the law. The condition of one who has lost his civil rights and capacities, and is considered civilly dead in law. See Civil death.

    Blacks Law 6th.

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    Mine is dark blue in a black leather Passport wallet.

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    AFAIK a 'civillian' (i.e. unlawful combatant status) can also be construed to be a belligerent re: "laws of war".
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    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Does the blue passport recognize A "U.S. National" as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1408?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-cit...e_not_citizens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chex View Post
    Does the blue passport recognize A "U.S. National" as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1408?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-cit...e_not_citizens


    No. I have known serious petitioners applying for the US National passport and they never get it. I have seen the letters back from the State Department and they say that according to their records and place of birth etc. the petitioner is a US citizen and getting the proper passport is approved.

    The WSA passport is based in UN Charter Law.

    After evaluating the passport for a while my interpretation is that its function is to declare beforehand, when you enter a country what embassy you will be running to if you get into some serious hot water while visiting. Therefore the passport is pretty superfluous. You can run to the Korean embassy for example, but if you were not born or naturalized there you probably cannot get any help by doing so. Therefore if I was in South Africa and ran to the American Embassy for help then I could probably get it regardless of whether I had a passport or not, once I convinced them I was born in Colorado.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    After evaluating the passport for a while my interpretation is that its function is to declare beforehand, when you enter a country what embassy you will be running to if you get into some serious hot water while visiting. Therefore the passport is pretty superfluous. You can run to the Korean embassy for example, but if you were not born or naturalized there you probably cannot get any help by doing so. Therefore if I was in South Africa and ran to the American Embassy for help then I could probably get it regardless of whether I had a passport or not, once I convinced them I was born in Colorado.
    It probably comes down to who you pay for "protection services". Just like a home-owner in an unincorporated area can pay a sheriff, a police department or a security company for patrols.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    It probably comes down to who you pay for "protection services". Just like a home-owner in an unincorporated area can pay a sheriff, a police department or a security company for patrols.
    Like somebody who mentioned sales tax - protection services on the commercial district (downtown).

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    I have seen the letters back from the State Department and they say that according to their records and place of birth etc. the petitioner is a US citizen and getting the proper passport is approved.
    That's perhaps their key statement: according to their records. They seem to be telling us they have some evidence -- or a presumption -- of petitioner being a "US citizen". Correcting the error in their records by providing evidence one is not a "US citizen" would perhaps yield different results; namely, a proper non-US citizen passport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro View Post
    That's perhaps their key statement: according to their records. They seem to be telling us they have some evidence -- or a presumption -- of petitioner being a "US citizen". Correcting the error in their records by providing evidence one is not a "US citizen" would perhaps yield different results; namely, a proper non-US citizen passport.

    I think you must look at it from the State Department's perspective. If somebody is born or naturalized on the districts then they are within the scope of the Fourteenth Amendment. They do not provide the mythical American National passport. I think another way of saying it is that if you are an American National you do not require a passport at all. If international flight tickets were free and I had time to sit in holding cells being treated like a terrorist I would do some scientific experimentation myself. I find the thought of traveling to Iran or Israel pretty intimidating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jethro View Post
    That's perhaps their key statement: according to their records. They seem to be telling us they have some evidence -- or a presumption -- of petitioner being a "US citizen". Correcting the error in their records by providing evidence one is not a "US citizen" would perhaps yield different results; namely, a proper non-US citizen passport.
    VERY GOOD or even a declaration of status, witnessed and recorded in a public venue, certified copies carried/issued. Properly rebut the presumptions, that's what it's all about!

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