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    sample 1040

    a while ago i was travelling the forums and thought i saw a 1040 with the 'lawful money' verbage on it on one of the last lines of page 2.
    i have been unable to find the picture nor the thread for rereading.
    can the link be shared and the picture...

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    I think the sample form you recall originates here:
    http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Guest-...tml#anchor_317

    Up near the top Example 1040 Form

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    This example is what you are looking for, I believe:

    Lawful Money 1040 Example.


    That was prepared by tax preparer John Henry DOE and accompanies the Talkshoe Show from 9/1/11 found Click Here.
    Last edited by David Merrill; 09-13-11 at 10:10 AM.

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    Debtor forms really, if the SSA owns the SSN, the state owns the DL and the COLB title what does it have to do with you all?

    I prefer to fill out creditors forms instead as it is the energy from man that makes it all happen. A couple months ago I went to a local IRS office and in so man words laid it all out what I knew about the system, asked them for the EIN number associated with the TIN and they gave it to me. Agent said she could not tell me, but could write it down for me, I asked her how long ago it was created and she said many years ago and asked why there has not been any filings for that account, my interpretation was that it happened the same time the SSN was created and since no filings the estate has basically been sitting there abandoned. She also mentioned that this EIN was for a Grantors Trust. I thanked her with a smile and a thumbs up , walked out.

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    Very interesting Motla,
    key words = *went to IRS office... asked them for EIN associated with TIN... EIN was for a Grantor Trust... *why has there not been any filings for that account?, hmmmm...
    ...so would a grantor Trust with an EIN be filing a 1040? food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Konig View Post
    Very interesting Motla,
    key words = *went to IRS office... asked them for EIN associated with TIN... EIN was for a Grantor Trust... *why has there not been any filings for that account?, hmmmm...
    ...so would a grantor Trust with an EIN be filing a 1040? food for thought.
    Exactly, quite the opposite was my point, why are we fooling around with the SSN and 1040, if the number is property of the federal government then what does it have to do with us having liability for the filings? EINs is for 1041s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    Exactly, quite the opposite was my point, why are we fooling around with the SSN and 1040, if the number is property of the federal government then what does it have to do with us having liability for the filings? EINs is for 1041s.
    IMHO: that would be called UNDERTAKING creating a Cestui Que USE in you FBO the Federal Government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    Exactly, quite the opposite was my point, why are we fooling around with the SSN and 1040, if the number is property of the federal government then what does it have to do with us having liability for the filings? EINs is for 1041s.
    Hello new to the group and just getting my feet wet here.
    What is the difference between the 1040 and the 1041 and what is the benefit of filing a 1041 vs a 1040?
    Now I understand one that I am not the name and do not wish to claim the name. It is the property of the state in which I was born. So if the 1041 will cause me not to claim the name then great.

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    Do you need to file an estate income tax return (Form 1041)?

    When someone dies, their social security number dies with them?

    Q17:

    Try this form from this report or you can use this one or you can try SEC. 807.

    If you have any questions about this contact the Bureau of Internal Revenue under the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury and shall be paid into the Treasury of the United States as internal- revenue collections.

    I almost positive that every corporation here in the USA uses one of these forms.
    Last edited by Chex; 01-23-12 at 03:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    Debtor forms really, if the SSA owns the SSN, the state owns the DL and the COLB title what does it have to do with you all?

    I prefer to fill out creditors forms instead as it is the energy from man that makes it all happen. A couple months ago I went to a local IRS office and in so man words laid it all out what I knew about the system, asked them for the EIN number associated with the TIN and they gave it to me. Agent said she could not tell me, but could write it down for me, I asked her how long ago it was created and she said many years ago and asked why there has not been any filings for that account, my interpretation was that it happened the same time the SSN was created and since no filings the estate has basically been sitting there abandoned. She also mentioned that this EIN was for a Grantors Trust. I thanked her with a smile and a thumbs up , walked out.
    Grantor trust ~= revocable. Means the settlor can be taxed on the income of the trust.
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