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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    The first item threw up a ?. The trailling - was noticed. However, the amount being in brackets in some views makes it a negative number..and therefore an imaginary number thus in brackets (i.e. it doesn't exist(on the page or otherwise)). Lack of dollar sign smells of "international accounting units". But the 2nd...that has : DAVID-WYNN:-MILLER 'quantum language' written all over it--red flag.

    Also: http://www.myspace.com/559379549 (Brazillian?)

    "E pluribus unum" is a term that points to the origins of corporations...



    Its entirely possible that someone other than the apparent secured party filed those papers. "14.3T" is the current U.S. "debt limit". Keep in mind that if the FRS winds up, it goes to the U.S. Treasury. Also, Bank of America is the 'bank of choice' for the Pan America Union (been around for a long long time--since around 1889) aka/ala Organization of American States. I'm just not seeing that an attorney would put "UNITED STATES DEPARTEMENT OF THE TREASURY 1789" especially when UCC filings with defective names are know to be super fatal to claims. Perhaps it might not matter so much with respect to a secured party. However, if someone wanted to be clever and create something similar enough to UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY..they could add a few digits after that. 1789 and the DAVID WYNN MILLER linguistics....hmmmmm.

    Keep in mind that the largest creditor to the United States just maybe holds its primary offices at Baltimore, Maryland. And on that topic, even if one does R4LM, the SSA still gets their cut (which isn't necessary a bad thing)--> alluding to the the strength and solvency of the SSA.
    Now I see what you are saying Allodial. Ergo I was after who is behind the Customer Number.




    Thanks for your assessment; especially that clue about David Wynn MILLER. This is fascinating to me that his technology might be interwoven into the metaphysics. When I dismissed him years ago I did recognize an inherent power in his linguistics to be that dyslexia had him interpreting sentences from right to left (Hebrew) as easily as left to right as written in English pleadings etc.

    The main clue for me on that is:

    IN GOD WE TRUST - on the coins and bills
    SO HELP ME GOD - standard on all federal judge oaths of office
    WITH TRUST IN GOD - on the Collateral page.

    It looked to me like the IRS/Treasury filed the lien. Since the filing party wanted acknowledgment sent to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Thanks for that additional information/observation.

    So far I seem to be the only one observing that the number is in brackets with a minus sign following. This is saying that the taxpayer owes the Treasury $14.3T and has quit paying up. I will go into it further tomorrow because that jumped right out at me for the timing. This will take some tricky composition to explain in a post or two so I will throw some items at you now, and catch up tomorrow after some more investigation. For those who do not know me, I believe in the metaphysics of law - that when the record is properly formed things happen beyond the power and authority of men, even properly seated and sworn-in justices.

    The date of the Amendment is August 12, the Eve of August 13, 2011 ten years after the BoE [proof of service] for all the debt in the world and exactly 30 days prior Judgment Day - September 11th, 2001. Last month, in hindsight that lien against the taxpayers was exactly what I was expecting to see. August 2nd was the day that Congress raised the Debt Ceiling and avoided Default so that should not have deteriorated the good faith and credit of America. Yet America took a hit anyway - same day, August 2nd. - Right in Robert E. BLACKBURN's face (exclusive original cognizance of the US).

    I knew something would be happening ten days later on August 12th/13th.

    Picture yourself a taxpayer. There is now a lien against you. That means that the Treasury gave up on the Income Tax for American sustainabilty of debt maintenance. That is a pretty significant statement and I reserve the right to revise that as more information comes in. Before lunch/chess I found out some things, and discovered how difficult researching the Notice of Lien might become.

    The first obstacle is that in Maryland, the Division of the Secretary of State does not exist as such. UCC filings are in a different Division as you read on the August 12th NoL. Maryland has its own Department of Assessments and taxation. My first call I was rudely in denial that the SoS could not access the NoL for me. They gave me a number for MDAT though, and listen carefully to the end of the audio to the guy there, Omar because I believe he pulled up the screen and was upset or alarmed. I deleted the pause so you may not really get it. Maybe I should have left the pause because he pulls it up and spent 30 seconds reading I believe. I got Steve at the SoS after that, still in denial and I put Omar's call after that; it should make sense as you listen; Click Here.

    A little later I found the exact number for UCC Filings with MDAT and got a similar reaction from the woman, who I had to practically threaten to fire to get a verification that the NoL even existed there! Click Here. Listen carefully. I never get a chance to inquire about, the old one. [3:25 Minute Mark.] It was on my mind when she offered that I could speak to her supervisor so I jumped on that offer, you can imagine why, only for her supervisor never to pick up.

    Here is the earlier rendition of the Lien - the August 12th rendition is an Amendment to it - reversing the charge upon the taxpayer as I see it. Of course the IRS being funded by the labor force of America - those subject to conditioning - SDR Certificate supporters who endorse private credit. The IRS is forming a lien against itself in the Amendment but I of course get to revise that interpretation as I learn. The way I see it though, people redeeming lawful money instead of endorsing private credit have undermined the sustainability of the debt currency system to the point where the Treasury liened itself for the national debt as of July 27th - $14.3T. [Can somebody find a link so we can find the national debt on any given day?]

    There is some kind of globalization "green" theme there that is a bit perplexing as I write. Look at the end. Thank you for looking into that for us Motla68.



    Regards,

    David Merrill.



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    Click Here.
    Interesting offer of connection there as it nearly matches the
    current debt: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

    I am trying to break this down in my head when you said they liened themselves on the backs of taxpayers .

    Defintions:
    Secured Party; Pursuant to the Uniform Commercial Code, "Secured party" means a person in whose favor a security interest is created or provided for under a security agreement, whether or not any obligation to be secured is outstanding. Moreover, the term includes a person that holds an agricultural lien.

    Debtor is a person who owes an obligation to pay a sum of money to another. According to bankruptcy laws, the person whom a bankruptcy case concerns is a debtor. Section 9-102 of the Uniform Consumer Code defines a debtor as;
    (B) a seller of accounts, chattel paper, payment intangibles, or promissory notes.

    In reference to these, it seems the Treasury (SP) has liened up against the Banks (debtor). Could it be the Republic which is the Estate has a Lien against the Democracy a cartel of banks? and wouldn't you think this had anything to do with the not too long ago Audit on the Federal Reserve ?
    Another note to make here is that some time ago Bank of America was chosen to do a majority of the ACH transactions for the Treasury. I think that this is all a sign the system is about to collapse itself so that a new monetary system can be put in place, it is either that or we are returning to a Lawful Money system since so many people are making demands for it now. Hold on to your hats you all for a wild ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Its entirely possible that someone other than the apparent secured party filed those papers.

    Thank you for dispelling that particular illusion Allodial!

    Listen to this.


    The Secretary of State and Maryland Division of Assessments and Taxation does not verify who sent the Notice of Lien. The illusion is that the paper is filed by the party requesting confirmation. The presumption made assigning the Customer # is that the Customer is the Debtor.


    Very edifying...

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Thank you for dispelling that particular illusion Allodial!

    Listen to this.


    The Secretary of State and Maryland Division of Assessments and Taxation does not verify who sent the Notice of Lien. The illusion is that the paper is filed by the party requesting confirmation. The presumption made assigning the Customer # is that the Customer is the Debtor.


    Very edifying...
    AFAIK, if the US went bust, the SSA and the States would have a priority lien on EVERYTHING as the primary creditor to the United States. Consider that the UN is headquartered in NY and that mail to the UN is considered to be domestic mail. Consider that Washington, D.C. is the *capital* for the Pan American Union which was established in 1889! The NAU? The Amero? THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS ARE 122+ YEARS BEHIND THE TIMES! The SSA reports to the Comptroller General and Chief Financial Officer of the United States rather than to the Secretary of the Treasury of the U.S. Department of the Treasury. The Comptroller of the United States is over the GAO. They keep lying about Social Security being defunct so they can hypnotize mislead masses into passing laws so that they can have dibs on the hidden private assets. The US Department of the Treasury HAS NO RIGHT TO ACCESS THE SSA ACCOUNTS without an I-9, W4 or 1040 being filled out. The IRS tax account is separate from the account in Baltimore, MD. Perhaps the FRS is merely a CUSTODIAN/TRUSTEE (but owner) for all of private securities being held as debts back to birth certificate and social security card holders?

    The public side tax collection done by the SSA is via FICA and the like. However, public is not private and private often goes unmentioned--"off book".

    Quote Originally Posted by David Merrill View Post
    Thanks for your assessment; especially that clue about David Wynn MILLER. This is fascinating to me that his technology might be interwoven into the metaphysics. When I dismissed him years ago I did recognize an inherent power in his linguistics to be that dyslexia had him interpreting sentences from right to left (Hebrew) as easily as left to right as written in English pleadings etc.
    While there might be sparse, sparse merit to the David Wynn MILLER-isms, IMHO he goes a bit too too far. Controlling tense and being precise and clear is important. "Bob shall mow grass tomorrow for John" is a suggestion..'shall' can mean 'should'. I've often seen boilerplate 'contracts' that are full of off-tense phrases, suggestions and overall formed so that they hardly form a contract--leaving it open for litigation and interpretation--more money for the attorneys. I tried to watch a long seminar he put on, but something just wouldn't allow me to...something about his spiel just was unsettling...'red flags' in the spirit realm. The main thing he is correct about is being clear, precise and concise in writing legal documents rather than being sloppy (he mentions that in about 10 seconds of speaking...anyone smart would go take a legal drafting course or something). I was hoping to catch a few nuggets here and there. But I noticed a common style between him and Jean KEATING this incessant bragging almost like they were both were running exactly the same software... or... something. (Also David Wynn MILLER doesn't seem to know the difference between an adverb, an adjective and a gerund).
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    I am still excited about the Find and the Timing.


    It is not so important to me who authored it and what the recipients of the Acknowledgment think of it. - Not any more than what they think of my BoE and its Timing. If it was more important then I would pay for the Search the woman at Maryland's SDAT suggested this morning - especially into these reference numbers:



    I might do that though. I may take a more careful look at it. I am convinced by the reactions yesterday though, that this Notice of Lien is valid. Something tells me that paying that lady for information would be simply infuriating and very unsatisfying!
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    The timing is quite interesting.
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    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Perhaps this clarifies the conversation that you had.

    "The ability to place a lien upon a man’s property, such as to temporarily deprive him of its beneficial use, without any judicial determination of probable cause dates back not only to medieval England but also to Roman times." United States Supreme Court, 1968, Sniadach v. Family Finance Corp., 395 U.S. 337, 349
    The above quote actually refines to:

    "The ability to place a lien upon a man's property, such as to temporarily deprive him of its beneficial use, without any judicial determination of probable cause dates back not only to medieval England but also to Roman times." 37 Wis. 2d, at 171, 154 N. W. 2d, at 264.
    Likely the word 'man' means vassal in that context. They are likely presuming the filing to constitute public notice. Recently have revised the UCC system in places to allow for a DEBTOR to strike the record (ala UCC5 (Maryland)). Perhaps compare UCC3 (Amendment/Assignment/Continuation/Termination to Financing Statement) to UCC5 (Correction Statement). Interesting that UCC3 wouldn't be enough.
    Last edited by allodial; 09-14-11 at 10:32 PM.
    All rights reserved. Without prejudice. No liability assumed. No value assured.

    "The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
    "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2
    Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Thess. 5:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Perhaps this clarifies the conversation that you had.

    "The ability to place a lien upon a man’s property, such as to temporarily deprive him of its beneficial use, without any judicial determination of probable cause dates back not only to medieval England but also to Roman times." United States Supreme Court, 1968, Sniadach v. Family Finance Corp., 395 U.S. 337, 349


    The above quote actually refines to:

    "The ability to place a lien upon a man's property, such as to temporarily deprive him of its beneficial use, without any judicial determination of probable cause dates back not only to medieval England but also to Roman times." 37 Wis. 2d, at 171, 154 N. W. 2d, at 264.


    Likely the word 'man' means vassal in that context. They are likely presuming the filing to constitute public notice. Recently have revised the UCC system in places to allow for a DEBTOR to strike the record (ala UCC5 (Maryland)). Perhaps compare UCC3 (Amendment/Assignment/Continuation/Termination to Financing Statement) to UCC5 (Correction Statement). Interesting that UCC3 wouldn't be enough.

    We are on the same page you and I. I will add some details for the Readers' sake.

    It might be a bit reckless to dismiss the form arises from the David Wynn MILLER camp because of the timing. I accept the Lien on the [IRS] to be a valid claim even with the funny 1789 Treasury jargon mostly for the term revenue hyphenated re-venue. The claim stands upon the waters of the world (admiralty/NAWAPA) while the human population is naturally land-locked and air-breathing.

    [BTW - The United Nations campus in America (Manhattan) was declared International Soil by a very rich man named David ROCKEFELLER. The political clout to give 18 acres of America away to the world is mammon. Ergo the 14:00 and 20:00 Minute Marks are noteworthy. Dr. Dale LIVINGSTON, Esquire (Crown) presents it like his NLP has had a stroke but the point is well researched I am sure. So not to lose you all, this will tie easily to an informal Masonic annointing to VAN PELT soon. Genome has stricter boundaries than ignorance [last signature].]

    In other words Teunis Jansen Laenan VAN PELT had/has an estate on Manhattan Island where he built a large stone wall - Wall Street. Peaceable Reentry is primarily upon the Market. The Market was shut down for three days. Since this Notice of Claim arrived Monday before 1:00 pm EST and is still not on the docket report with PACER, I gather that www.savingtosuitorsclub.net and cyberspace in general will suffice. The original BoE doc was the one Tad sent to the NYSE. Ignoring a Notice while I have Delivery Confirmation is proof of service.

    Allodial and I are on the Same Page in that Paul invented the Roman Welfare State and under a correct reading - out of his obstinance and cowardly nature. Reading the Book of Acts under an American pastor's guidance you will completely miss how the Holy Spirit kept warning Paul to stay out of Jerusalem (with his new Roman citizenship papers). Paul bravely went in anyway, having held jackets while people stoned Jesus' disciples basically, I deserve to die God, so I will be ignoring your warnings! I cannot say I blame him for having an instinct to survive but what happened next happened. Paul ran to Felix, the Roman marshal who jailed him in protective custody for two years and then remanded him to Rome for three more. To start connecting this flurry of dots though; try figuring why this poem is found on Page 8 of this 1928 Century Magazine Article.


    Then of course you could always read the Book of Acts followed by the Book of Romans. Paul was convicted by the Sanhedrin of high treason against the Jews - and he lied about buying expensive citizenship papers in Cyprus. But more importantly, one Mnason (thinly encrypted) a Cypriot Jew lied about it so Paul bought probation (shaved head) long enough to make his escape from Jerusalem to go invent the Roman Welfare State - long since protected by his Romans 13 Doctrine.

    My recent claim is upon the original 1639 Charter. Since my ancestry has preserved my perpetual inheritance unencumbered by the trappings of British fealty, I doubt there is much room for interpretation for the term perpetual.

    However, author Harold D. Eberlein states: "there never was a duly and legally constituted Van Pelt Manor and this appellation has no defense whatever on any historic grounds.
    The Masonic encryption is found in this Post by listening to Crown Testimony of Dr Dale, ESQUIRE above with this NY anointing, c. 1789 in mind.

    Washington rode over the old highway in 1790, and was greeted in New Utrecht by the village people. There was great excitement when word came that the general was shortly to arrive. From the little school-house near VAN PELT Manor the school-chi1dren were hustled home for fresh linen and face-washings and hair-combings; and they were as quickly marched back, dressed in new clothes and company manners, for the great George Washington would pass their way. At last, after many anxious scannings of the road, they saw him riding toward the little school-house, and the children lined up and waited until he approached. Litte Peter VAN PELT was on the end of the line, and he was the last boy to whom George Washington spoke; and to little Peter he looked very tall, as he came near to him and laid his hand on Peter's head.

    "Be a good boy, my son," said Washington, "and you will be a good man."

    Little Peter VAN PELT probably remembered this admonition
    This is how I see it anyway. You may interpret it differently.



    Regards,

    David Merrill.


    P.S. The scope of the above post renders it moot in my opinion whether you want to cite the uncopyrighted Gutenberg Bible in the Library of Congress @ incun.1454.b5 (see link) or resort to Letters Patent of the Crown - Epistle Dedicatory 1, Epistle Dedicatory 2.
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    the term PERPETUAL is interesting indeed.

    Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America."

    look on any one-dollar note - there is that Stile - save, it is now CAPITALIZED - in Trust, perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by allodial View Post
    Perhaps this clarifies the conversation that you had.



    The above quote actually refines to:



    Likely the word 'man' means vassal in that context. They are likely presuming the filing to constitute public notice. Recently have revised the UCC system in places to allow for a DEBTOR to strike the record (ala UCC5 (Maryland)). Perhaps compare UCC3 (Amendment/Assignment/Continuation/Termination to Financing Statement) to UCC5 (Correction Statement). Interesting that UCC3 wouldn't be enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Joseph View Post
    the term PERPETUAL is interesting indeed.

    Article I. The Stile of this Confederacy shall be "The United States of America."

    look on any one-dollar note - there is that Stile - save, it is now CAPITALIZED - in Trust, perhaps?

    Two different subjects?

    The first is from the 1629 Charter.

    The second if I may presume is from Dr Dale LIVINGSTON, Esquire's interpretation of the Journals of the Continental Congress. If he is correct, and I believe a doctor in the law may well be, then you may be correctly interpreting that the nation was never formed by quorum a proper body politic but is rather a trust formed by New Utrecht - named New York after the British Indies Trading Company came into presences in the 1680's?

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