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Thread: A rose by any other name does not change the fact that its still a rose

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    A rose by any other name does not change the fact that its still a rose

    I would suggest that what you call yourself, your name has little bearing in a court of law, its the roll you play.

    What part do you play in court has more bearing on jurisdiction and the capacity of the court to try you than most other common issues, many in the freeman, sovereign movement.

    When you show up in court which hat do you wear, beneficiary/grantor (stock holder), executor (administrator), or the trustee (emplyee).

    Do you want to be the libel party, taking full liability.

    If we look at it as a large corporation for the ease in understanding, we may find some clue.

    Who holds all the power in a corporation. Well it certainly is not the employee, they take orders from the administrator. The administrator is elected by the stock holders. ie investors who would seem to be the libel parties and hold all the power. Can an investor be the administrator.

    So in relation to your corporation/trust which position do you want to hold.

    When you go to court, what is the presumption the court holds about your position.

    In what ways do they trick us into becoming public servants/employees.

    Who is obligated to obey the laws of the corporation/trust.

    Know who you are. fB

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    Last edited by Frederick Burrell; 10-02-11 at 12:40 PM.

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    Genesis 5

    When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chex View Post
    When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.

    It doesn't matter what name you call yourself its what role your play. If I call myself mankind but act as an employee or trustee then I am bound by their laws ordinances, statutes, and codes. fB

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    is there any proven way to take yourself out of the 14th amendment citizen status?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idotudot View Post
    is there any proven way to take yourself out of the 14th amendment citizen status?
    There are about 30 agreements including the 14th Amendment status you'll need to back out of.
    The 14th Amendment is a political status.

    Once out though, I wouldn't count on the U.S. Constitution at all. Go the natural rights/natural law route.
    The U.S. Constitution is merely a private corporate charter for a corporation titled government of the United States. Signatories to the Constitution are States ..... not people.

    To answer your question, yes, there are a number of ways.
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    Are you out ? If so can you prove it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shikamaru View Post

    To answer your question, yes, there are a number of ways.
    To whom is this question addressed?
    That would be you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motla68 View Post
    That would be you.
    Exiting out of a political system is something that you prepare for.

    I am not out as of yet. Much ground work has to be laid before one takes the leap.
    It is a radical change in lifestyle.

    It is possible to get out. I know too many people who have done it.

    It begins easy enough with closing accounts along with creating one's official evidentiary.

    One should worry first about all the commercial and insurance contracts their wrapped up in first before tackling 14th Amendment political status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shikamaru View Post

    It is possible to get out. I know too many people who have done it.
    - What form of currency do they use ?

    - How do they avoid taxes at the store counter?

    - Do they receive benefit of a postal service delivering to a house address?

    I ask these questions because it seems quite impossible to " get completely out of the political system ". It might be that getting out is just an illusion, or that we were never in it to begin with.

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    Federal rules of procedure which have been adopted in over 35 states

    texas

    RULES OF PRACTICE IN DISTRICT AND COUNTY COURTS


    RULE 52. ALLEGING A CORPORATION
    An allegation that a corporation is incorporated shall be taken as true, unless denied by the affidavit of the adverse party, his agent or attorney, whether such corporation is a public or private corporation and however created.

    http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.u...rcp_part_2.pdf

    As I mentioned in my opening post Knowing your position is of major importance. As beneficiary/grantor and pointing yourself as administrator, you take control of the trust, and in court appoint the judge as trustee, public servant, employee, he is bound to carry out the policies set by the the administrator, you. They do not like this much, they want to make you think you are the trustee for the NAME trust. But the opposite is true and you can take control and make policy for the trust which they must carry out. fB

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